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Nov 1, 2017 15:35:24   #
Geofw Loc: Thornton Cleveleys UK
 
Hi, I have just heard about this device from a friend who is ordering one.
Watching the video about it I am not sure if it is for me. I enjoy using my methods for taking photographs and feel this is taking the skill away from the individual.

I am curious to see what fellow hogs have to say about it.

Geoff

Sorry I meant to post this link to the site.

http://witharsenal.com/

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Nov 1, 2017 15:39:58   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Geoff, I'm in your corner. 98% of what I shoot is all manual. Arsenal will convert any photographer to a button pushing spectator.
--Bob
Geofw wrote:
Hi, I have just heard about this device from a friend who is ordering one.
Watching the video about it I am not sure if it is for me. I enjoy using my methods for taking photographs and feel this is taking the skill away from the individual.

I am curious to see what fellow hogs have to say about it.

Geoff

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Nov 1, 2017 16:57:01   #
JPL
 
Geofw wrote:
Hi, I have just heard about this device from a friend who is ordering one.
Watching the video about it I am not sure if it is for me. I enjoy using my methods for taking photographs and feel this is taking the skill away from the individual.

I am curious to see what fellow hogs have to say about it.

Geoff

Sorry I meant to post this link to the site.

http://witharsenal.com/


I know there is a lot of interest in this gadget and I am sure it can be of good use for some people. But I am not jumping on this, have no use for it as far as I can see.

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Nov 1, 2017 17:21:43   #
Mephistopheles
 
JPL wrote:
I know there is a lot of interest in this gadget and I am sure it can be of good use for some people. But I am not jumping on this, have no use for it as far as I can see.


I'm ready to jump. Arse and all!

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Nov 1, 2017 17:26:34   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
rmalarz wrote:
Geoff, I'm in your corner. 98% of what I shoot is all manual. Arsenal will convert any photographer to a button pushing spectator.
--Bob

I'm not sure why you say that. Wireless control allows the photographer to do exactly what he does when holding the camera - apart from changing direction it is pointed it - but from some distance away.

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Nov 1, 2017 17:38:27   #
Mephistopheles
 
rehess wrote:
I'm not sure why you say that. Wireless control allows the photographer to do exactly what he does when holding the camera - apart from changing direction it is pointed it - but from some distance away.


But this isn't just about wireless control is it? It seems to be advocating some kind of AI that will go above and beyond the camera's automation capabilities. Clearly a modern cellphone with some kind of neural network / machine learning functionality coupled to a vast database of images could, in theory, deliver acceptable results, but why bother? After all, it mostly eliminates the need for the photographer, other than lugging the equipment around and pointing it in the right direction.

WWAAD?

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Nov 1, 2017 17:53:04   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
rehess, this comment from their site. "With a single tap, you can activate Arsenal’s settings assistant AI. The settings assistant is trained on thousands of great photos. It can determine the optimal settings for the scene you're shooting. Next it fine tunes those settings using 18 different environmental factors. The result is great settings for any shot. Like your own personal photography assistant, Arsenal lets you focus on the parts of photography you love while it takes care of the rest".

Additionally, the last sentence is a puzzle to me. What parts that I love will it let me focus on since it's doing everything for me? I already use my cell phone for determining exposure and developing times. Why would I need it to change camera settings. I can do that already. There are wireless shutter releases already on the market.

My main objection to even thinking about purchasing this is being removed from controlling exposure, focus, etc. This is one step past shooting in P mode. No thanks.

I'm sure it will sell, as there are gadget fanatics everywhere and they have incurable GAS. I prefer to be more directly involved with the photographic process.
--Bob

rehess wrote:
I'm not sure why you say that. Wireless control allows the photographer to do exactly what he does when holding the camera - apart from changing direction it is pointed it - but from some distance away.

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Nov 1, 2017 19:01:35   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
rmalarz wrote:
rehess, this comment from their site. "With a single tap, you can activate Arsenal’s settings assistant AI. The settings assistant is trained on thousands of great photos. It can determine the optimal settings for the scene you're shooting. Next it fine tunes those settings using 18 different environmental factors. The result is great settings for any shot. Like your own personal photography assistant, Arsenal lets you focus on the parts of photography you love while it takes care of the rest".

Additionally, the last sentence is a puzzle to me. What parts that I love will it let me focus on since it's doing everything for me? I already use my cell phone for determining exposure and developing times. Why would I need it to change camera settings. I can do that already. There are wireless shutter releases already on the market.

My main objection to even thinking about purchasing this is being removed from controlling exposure, focus, etc. This is one step past shooting in P mode. No thanks.

I'm sure it will sell, as there are gadget fanatics everywhere and they have incurable GAS. I prefer to be more directly involved with the photographic process.
--Bob
rehess, this comment from their site. "With ... (show quote)

OK, I guess I didn’t read deep enough

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Nov 1, 2017 20:58:17   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
It looks good on paper but I wouldn't spend any money before it was available online and could read the reviews. Right now it seems to be in the R&D stage. Early pre order customers have no guarantee they will ever get anything for their money.

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Nov 1, 2017 20:58:18   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
Recently there was a post from a member who preordered a multilens high MP P&S camera and still hasn't gotten anything several years later.

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Nov 2, 2017 08:11:12   #
Ronsh Loc: Floresville,Tx.
 
rmalarz wrote:
rehess, this comment from their site. "With a single tap, you can activate Arsenal’s settings assistant AI. The settings assistant is trained on thousands of great photos. It can determine the optimal settings for the scene you're shooting. Next it fine tunes those settings using 18 different environmental factors. The result is great settings for any shot. Like your own personal photography assistant, Arsenal lets you focus on the parts of photography you love while it takes care of the rest".

Additionally, the last sentence is a puzzle to me. What parts that I love will it let me focus on since it's doing everything for me? I already use my cell phone for determining exposure and developing times. Why would I need it to change camera settings. I can do that already. There are wireless shutter releases already on the market.

My main objection to even thinking about purchasing this is being removed from controlling exposure, focus, etc. This is one step past shooting in P mode. No thanks.

I'm sure it will sell, as there are gadget fanatics everywhere and they have incurable GAS. I prefer to be more directly involved with the photographic process.
--Bob
rehess, this comment from their site. "With ... (show quote)

Bob how do you use your phone for exposure and developing times. Just trying to learn here, thanks. Ron

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Nov 2, 2017 11:55:27   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
Geofw wrote:
Hi, I have just heard about this device from a friend who is ordering one.
Watching the video about it I am not sure if it is for me. I enjoy using my methods for taking photographs and feel this is taking the skill away from the individual.

I am curious to see what fellow hogs have to say about it.

Geoff

Sorry I meant to post this link to the site.

http://witharsenal.com/

Wow, what a total useless piece of crap, I don't see that guy selling many of them!

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Nov 2, 2017 17:19:47   #
PGHphoto Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
Geofw wrote:
Hi, I have just heard about this device from a friend who is ordering one.
Watching the video about it I am not sure if it is for me. I enjoy using my methods for taking photographs and feel this is taking the skill away from the individual.

I am curious to see what fellow hogs have to say about it.

Geoff

Sorry I meant to post this link to the site.

http://witharsenal.com/


My canon 70D does the manual functions with built-in WiFi and a smartphone running the Canon Camera connect app. Would be nice to be able to do the same with my 5DII . Wouldn't use the auto functions but its a great wireless remote.

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