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Oct 24, 2017 06:50:03   #
queencitysanta Loc: Charlotte, North Carolina
 
I bought a Nest Gimbal and tripod from MT Shooter and couldn't be happier.

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Oct 24, 2017 07:06:48   #
Mundj Loc: Richmond TX
 
brucewells wrote:
Contact MT SHOOTER on this forum. He owns/operates the Camera Cottage in Montana and sells the Nest gimbal head. I bought one 2-3 years ago and it has worked just fine.


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Oct 24, 2017 07:21:55   #
jcboy3
 
If you don't plan on using the big lenses (e.g. 600mm f/4), then a smaller gimbal head is more portable.

If you want to buy American, then consider the gimbal head made by Rob Pleas (http://www.gimbaltripodhead.com). I have one, and have worked with him on some of the design features. It's very smooth and sturdy, and can be easily disassembled for cleaning if needed. Under $300. I use this when I can drive to my location.

I do not recommend the cheaper imports; they don't run smoothly, and you can't take them apart easily for cleaning and lubrication.

I also use a Promaster GH25 as a combination gimbal head and panoramic head. Definitely not suitable for big lenses. You need to add an Arca clamp to the swing arm to make it a usable pano head, and I also drilled an anti-twist hole in the base so it doesn't come loose when mounted on the indexer. It disassembles (like the Nodal Ninja or RRS heads), so it's great for travel. I use this when I fly. I've used it when shooting the Burton US Open Snowboard Championship with a Nikon D750 and 200-500 lens.

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Oct 24, 2017 07:25:14   #
Goober Loc: Southeastern PA
 
Check out the Wimberly Sidekick. I just bought one and it works very well. $250 and 50 or 60 bucks for a lens mount plate. The advantage of the Sidekick is it quickly attaches to an Arca Swiss QR on your existing ball head without removing the ball head from your tripod. I got it for a trip last week to a Wildlife Refuge and a trip next year to Kodiak. The Sidekick is very well made and only takes about 5 seconds to remove it if you want to switch back to using the ball head. For travel you don't have to pack two complete tripod heads.

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Oct 24, 2017 07:34:07   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
Check out Jobu http://www.jobu-design.com/ good quality I use the Jr. along with the Nest Gimbal

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Oct 24, 2017 07:38:30   #
MTG44 Loc: Corryton, Tennessee
 
Ditto!

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Oct 24, 2017 07:39:05   #
MTG44 Loc: Corryton, Tennessee
 
brucewells wrote:
Contact MT SHOOTER on this forum. He owns/operates the Camera Cottage in Montana and sells the Nest gimbal head. I bought one 2-3 years ago and it has worked just fine.


Ditto!

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Oct 24, 2017 08:47:18   #
TomV Loc: Annapolis, Maryland
 
I have used the Manfrotto and now have the LensMaster. I sold the Manfrotto when I sold my Minolta 600mm. I now have a Sigma 500mm and purchased the LensMaster for that. The LensMaster is smaller and works well. Both are good values.

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Oct 24, 2017 10:55:31   #
Paulie Loc: NW IL
 
I bought this one for wildlife about 5 months ago. There is only very little sweet spot between it being too tight and too lose for panning, besides that no complains so far. $200, carbon fiber. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B016V1AVV4/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1508856485&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=gh800&dpPl=1&dpID=41qv%2BxRwJKL&ref=plSrch

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Oct 24, 2017 11:10:29   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Had a disastrous day at the Edwin B. Forsythe National Wildlife Refuge (AKA Brig) yesterday. I was testing out my new Senior Pass (got in under the deadline for the $10.00 pass online took three months to get it but I got it!) ....Errr actually I was testing my Sigma 150-600 C in the field and found I just can't hold it steady enough to go to 600 on a target several 100 yards away. Tried my tripod and ball head, but it lacks the delicate movement needed. Anyone have a suggestion for a (reasonably priced, I would like to stay close to $200) quality gimbal for use on either a tripod or monopod? Or suggestions on heads to avoid?

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Had a disastrous day at the Edwin B. Forsythe Nati... (show quote)


I use a Jobu and it has worked over the years even at sub zero temperatures and never frozen up or even slowed down, more then I can say for others that I see in the field, maybe because it's made in Canada. You don't mention what tripod that you are using. It's going to take more then just a good gimbal head, you will also need a good sturdy tripod too. Good luck and let us know how it all works out.

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Oct 24, 2017 11:16:47   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
My vote goes to Nest or Wimberly. Mt Shooter is the best!

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Oct 24, 2017 11:20:37   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Had a disastrous day at the Edwin B. Forsythe National Wildlife Refuge (AKA Brig) yesterday. I was testing out my new Senior Pass (got in under the deadline for the $10.00 pass online took three months to get it but I got it!) ....Errr actually I was testing my Sigma 150-600 C in the field and found I just can't hold it steady enough to go to 600 on a target several 100 yards away. Tried my tripod and ball head, but it lacks the delicate movement needed. Anyone have a suggestion for a (reasonably priced, I would like to stay close to $200) quality gimbal for use on either a tripod or monopod? Or suggestions on heads to avoid?

Thanks
Had a disastrous day at the Edwin B. Forsythe Nati... (show quote)


Just so you're aware, there are two or three types of gimbal heads. Basically, the first requirement to use any of them is that your telephoto lens needs to have a tripod mounting ring. And, unless one is provided with the gimbal you purchase, you also may need to purchase an extra long Arca-style quick release plate for the lens (some sort of "anti-twist" feature to that plate is pretty important). Figure $25 to $50 for that, if not included (or if you need additional for use on other lenses.) The extra long lens quick release plate makes it possible to adjust the lens & camera close to equilibrium, so that the heavy rig can be moved around smoothly with a light touch.

1. Full size gimbal head are one type and most of them are "bottom mount", designed to handle some of the heaviest of lenses such as 400mm f/2.8, 600mm f/4 and 800mm f/5.6. The mounting platform of the gimbal sits "under" the lens, sort of "cradling" it at the 6 o'clock position. There are a few full size that are "side mount", positioning the mounting plate off to one side or the other, at 3 o'clock or 9 o'clock position. Full size gimbal heads provide both vertical tilting and horizontal panning movements and completely replace the ballhead on your tripod (tools may be needed). With a full size gimbal installed, you typically won't be able to use the tripod for other purposes (short lenses with standard camera mounting). You'll first removing the gimbal head and re-installing the ballhead. But there are some accessories that allow use of the gimbal that way, without first having to remove it. Full size gimbal can be found for anywhere from $100 for a Chinese knock-off to $595 for a high quality like the original Wimberley (WH-200) to close to $1500 for some others such as the RRS Fluid head and Zenelli. Some of those prices don't seem so bad when you're trusting the head to safely support a $15,000 lens! Last time I looked, MT Shooter's carbon fiber Nest gimbal head was one of the more affordable, priced around $298.

2. Manfrotto makes a variant on the full size head that completely replaces the ballhead. Their "393" is more of a U-shape, with uprights on both side of the lens and dual locking knobs. This design can accommodate especially large, heavy lenses... but the 393 head itself is also quite heavy and pretty bulky. There may be some other manufacturers making similar, but I never had need for this type of head and don't know the details.

3. Gimbal adapters work in conjunction with a heavy duty ballhead, instead of replacing it. All gimbal adapters I know of are side-mount, as described above. In general they're intended for somewhat lighter loads, but still can handle relatively large lenses. The original Wimberley Sidekick SK-100 was rated for up to 500mm f/4 lenses weighing about 8 lb. (lens alone) and costs about $250 (I've seen folks use it with bigger lenses). The Induro GHBA is very similar and a little lower price. The least expensive is a Jobu BWG Micro that isn't offset like the other adapters and appears to have more limited capacity. With any of these you need a reasonably heavy duty ballhead, which will continue to provide the horizontal panning movement, while the adapter provides the vertical tilt movement. And, of course, any ballhead must have an Arca-compatible quick release platform to accommodate the adapter.

For more than fifteen years I've been using a Wimberley Sidekick gimbal adapter with a Kirk BH-1 ballhead (rated for 50 lb. load). Works great and allows quick swaps back and forth between the gimbal and using the ballhead without it. More recently I've gotten a full size gimbal and have it installed on another tripod.

An interesting additional use I've found with side-mount gimbals is that a camera fitted with a shorter lens and an Arca-style camera plate can be mounted in vertical/portrait orientation. This makes an expensive, bulky L-bracket unnecessary. This can't be done with the full size, bottom mount gimbals.

To allow a camera with a short lens to be used on a full size, bottom-mount gimbal, Wimberley offers an M-8 module (which also can serve as a mounting point for some of their modular flash brackets). Of course, to do this the camera must have an Arca-style plate or L-bracket installed. There may be, but I don't know of any other manufacturers offering similar. Wimberley (www.tripodhead.com) also offers a kit that converts their full size, bottom mount WH-200 to a side mount gimbal. In fact, they have a number of accessories for gimbals and more.... including modular flash brackets, spacers and risers that can be used to fine tune lens positioning, and more.

Out in the field, a very useful accessory with any gimbal rig is a leveler. This installs between the tripod and the head. For panning movement to follow moving subjects, it's best when the head is close to level. An accessory leveler makes for much faster setups and rapid adjustments each time you move the tripod on uneven ground. While it's possible to simply adjust the tripod leg lengths, a leveler makes a much quicker job of it. There are several types of levelers from various manufacturers. For this purpose the kind of leveler that has a single locking/release lever or handle is the quickest to use. Some of those levelers are designed to be used in place of any center column. Others are designed to work either way, with a center column or not. A leveler does add some weight, but personally I think it's well worth it and have them installed on two tripods I use with gimbal heads (one full size, the other an adapter w/ballhead).

A Sigma 150-600mm C is relatively light, as telephotos go... I seem to recall it's about 4.5 lb. So just about any of the full size or gimbal adapters should be able to handle it. One thing, you lens is not "internal focusing/internal zooming".... in other words, when zoomed or focused or both it will change length. This can slightly upset equilibrium on a gimbal mount... an IF/IZ lens works best on a gimbal. However, it's not all that big a deal. Simply set up with the lens zoomed to approx. the focal length you'll be using and be a little careful to not leave the gimbal licking knobs un-tightened when you stop shooting and let go of the camera. While most of my lenses used on gimbal are IF/IZ, a Canon 100-400mm that I use isn't, is similar to your lens, and I don't have any problem using it on gimbals. I think MT Shooter's Nest gimbal has some dampening specifically to make it handle non-IF/IZ lenses better. The head and adapter I use don't.

Finally, I only use gimbals on tripods... and fairly heavy duty ones at that (Gitzo Series 3 Systematics). I don't see much need for one on a monopod (only tilt movement is needed on a monopod and that can be accomplished with a smaller, relatively inexpensive, single axis head made specifically for use on monopods).

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Oct 24, 2017 11:59:57   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Had a disastrous day at the Edwin B. Forsythe National Wildlife Refuge (AKA Brig) yesterday. I was testing out my new Senior Pass (got in under the deadline for the $10.00 pass online took three months to get it but I got it!) ....Errr actually I was testing my Sigma 150-600 C in the field and found I just can't hold it steady enough to go to 600 on a target several 100 yards away. Tried my tripod and ball head, but it lacks the delicate movement needed. Anyone have a suggestion for a (reasonably priced, I would like to stay close to $200) quality gimbal for use on either a tripod or monopod? Or suggestions on heads to avoid?

Thanks
Had a disastrous day at the Edwin B. Forsythe Nati... (show quote)


I use a video fluid pan/tilt head and really like it for following action - a bit simpler/cheaper than gimbals.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/KINGJOY-VT-2510-Video-Tripod-Stand-Fluid-Ball-Head-for-DSLR-Camera-DV-Camcorder/362027541734?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

Lots of info/comparisons here - http://www.carolinawildphoto.com/gimbal_list.htm

Using one of my Bodypods would also be good for you .....

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Oct 24, 2017 12:01:16   #
AK Grandpa Loc: Anchorage, AK
 
I like my Wimberley Sidekick. It allows me to use my Tamron 150-600 with ease, and if I want to switch to another smaller camera/lense combo it's very easy to take it off and use the tripod's ball head.

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Oct 24, 2017 13:09:40   #
gjgallager Loc: North Central CT & Space Coast Florida
 
I just bought the Manfroto 393 at B&H, looks like it will handle my Nikkor 200-500mm with any of my cameras. Wish I'd had it for the eclipse.

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