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Oct 18, 2017 12:49:42   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
Just got this notice from Adobe and I have to say my "radar" went up; anything called "classic" generally means a thing of the past. I have invested much in the current version of Adobe Lightroom and this notice causes me grave concern. I'm not a big fan right now of all things "cloud" and only use LR on my laptop and desktop, although I do post to Facebook, my web sites, and other some other sites. But, this sounds like a big change to me in what I currently do. Downloading all the upgrades and the new program as I write this. Anyone have any experience or knowledge regarding this new approach?



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Oct 18, 2017 12:55:05   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
After updating the catalog you will be required to create a new catalog - the program does it for you - to use the updated software. Not sure how this is going to turn out. I wonder if this will turn out like the time they re-created some things in Adobe LR and just about everyone complained...so they went back to the original version of the program. My catalog is still being created right now...good thing I was not in a hurry as I had no idea this would happen when I updated the program.

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Oct 18, 2017 13:01:56   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
30 minutes late!!!!

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Oct 18, 2017 13:04:53   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
Is this to say someone else posted? Do you actually have any information that is relative to share, which would be unusual.

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Oct 18, 2017 13:07:09   #
Ednsb Loc: Santa Barbara
 
I agree with your concern for a number of reasons. Two products - classic is the desktop tool, CC the cloud. I only use LR not PS so I will not pay $10/month for both and they don't have an option for just LR. $120/yr for a product that should cost around $100 for a perpetual license is absurd. I think its a great deal for those that use PS (which used to cost $500+) so it would take about 5 years of SaaS costs to equal what it used to cost for LR and PS perpetual licenses. Since they both had upgrade cycles in the 2 to 4 year range it really is a pretty good deal. But not for just a LR user.

The CC option has hidden costs of cloud storage. Yes I know they give you a TB with it but I certainly won't keep my entire library in their cloud because it is larger than 1 TB plus concerns about backup. A hidden cost is the caps on the ISPs like Cox at 1 TB per month with $10/50MB charges above that. Adobe is trying to make a lot of $ off cloud storage.

I own LR 6 , will continue to use it but will move to On1 or something else as soon as they are stable. I want a product that does DAM and PP. Right now On1, MacPhun, Affinity are offering options (Mac user) but they have their own issues especially around stability and cost.

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Oct 18, 2017 13:27:52   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
I’m not upgrading my current catalog so fast.

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Oct 18, 2017 13:39:59   #
Ednsb Loc: Santa Barbara
 
Matt K has a pretty good explanation on his site. His recommendations are:
1. if you are on CC now upgrade to Classic as it will give you all the new features added there. He even has a video on those changes. You have purchased a SaaS license for just that reason - it gives you upgrades seamlessly. Classic is for the photographer who puts all their images in files/folders on a computer. Nothing has changed other than the name.
2. if you are a cloud based photographer who uses and wants infrastructure in the cloud (shoots mainly with a connected device like phone or camera with wifi) and wants all the features of CC but in a portable app. It doesn't make a difference if you use a phone, tablet , laptop or desktop as all the features are the same as CC just in the cloud.
3. if you are on a perpetual license of LR like 6,5 etc. They still work and will have some small upgrades like support for the new Nikon but unlikely they will be supported for long. But they still work and if that is how you use LR no changes needed. If you want the new features you have to either use classic or CC and pay subscription pricing. I'm in this boat and pissed because I don't use PS and won't pay for it which is what I am doing if I use CC or Classic. As I said I will move totally to some other product once one of them is stable.

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Oct 18, 2017 13:42:46   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
So, when I started the update the update failed, as in doing nothing for a long period of time. I called Adobe and got someone on the phone. Nice guy. He ended up taking control of my computer, wiping out the update, and re-installing the old program. He told me that the current LR program is indeed "classic" in the sense that it is going away, no more updates to the existing program. You will need to update to the new Classic program and use it in the future, but I had trouble trying to do that. If you want to leave your LR as you have it today do not update. I told him I felt that I had been in a relationship with Adobe and that I had not been "scorned," so to speak and to pass on my displeasure. I think he is going to have a very bad day today! Looks like some LR users may have some problems with this new approach. I'll continue to use the old, existing catalog and see what happens but I might start trying out some of the new programs from other companies. Adobe seems to be intent on the across-the-platform user and I'm not focused on that use with my work. I generally do that by exporting things and sending them where I want them and I do not use my phone or iPad to work on photos. If you do that, you'll be in good hands with Adobe if you can keep up with the changes. Will be interesting to see the comments from current users on this.

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Oct 18, 2017 13:47:40   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
via the lens wrote:
After updating the catalog you will be required to create a new catalog - the program does it for you - to use the updated software. Not sure how this is going to turn out. I wonder if this will turn out like the time they re-created some things in Adobe LR and just about everyone complained...so they went back to the original version of the program. My catalog is still being created right now...good thing I was not in a hurry as I had no idea this would happen when I updated the program.


That is what has happened with prior versions - should be no big deal, in fact I just upgraded my CC version to the new Lightroom Classic CC, updated my catalog of over 50,000 images in under 1 minute. Like all previous version upgrades of Lightroom a NEW catalog is created from your old one, so you old catalog is untouched, as well as your backups of your catalog. Not seeing any issues so far, but I am usually an early adopter.

BTW - what you are talking about with the issues was that Adobe changed the import screen and eliminated some of the nice options on a revision - BUT, due to customer feedback they reverted to the original well liked import screen.

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Oct 18, 2017 13:53:19   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
via the lens wrote:
So, when I started the update the update failed, as in doing nothing for a long period of time. I called Adobe and got someone on the phone. Nice guy. He ended up taking control of my computer, wiping out the update, and re-installing the old program. He told me that the current LR program is indeed "classic" in the sense that it is going away, no more updates to the existing program. You will need to update to the new Classic program and use it in the future, but I had trouble trying to do that. If you want to leave your LR as you have it today do not update. I told him I felt that I had been in a relationship with Adobe and that I had not been "scorned," so to speak and to pass on my displeasure. I think he is going to have a very bad day today! Looks like some LR users may have some problems with this new approach. I'll continue to use the old, existing catalog and see what happens but I might start trying out some of the new programs from other companies. Adobe seems to be intent on the across-the-platform user and I'm not focused on that use with my work. I generally do that by exporting things and sending them where I want them and I do not use my phone or iPad to work on photos. If you do that, you'll be in good hands with Adobe if you can keep up with the changes. Will be interesting to see the comments from current users on this.
So, when I started the update the update failed, a... (show quote)


FWIW - Just completed the update process on my iMac, Photoshop, Lightroom, Bridge & Camera Raw all updated automatically and my old versions were uninstalled and deleted. On launching Lightroom for the first time, new catalog created (over 50k images) in under 1 minute, Lightroom launches fine, looks good so far, Photoshop launches fine, all plugins available, Bridge launches and seems fine (I hardly make use of Bridge though, preferring to work in Lightroom for digital asset management.)

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Oct 18, 2017 13:59:18   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
Glad to hear it worked for you, I guess I'll try again at a later point in time. I generally do update immediately but this time it simply did not work. My concern with this new approach is that Adobe will at some point simply get rid of the current version (by no longer supporting it as they have done with other software and are now doing with the stand-alone version) since they are going in a more across-the-platform direction. I have a lot invested in the current program.

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Oct 18, 2017 14:06:54   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
via the lens wrote:
Glad to hear it worked for you, I guess I'll try again at a later point in time. I generally do update immediately but this time it simply did not work. My concern with this new approach is that Adobe will at some point simply get rid of the current version (by no longer supporting it as they have done with other software and are now doing with the stand-alone version) since they are going in a more across-the-platform direction. I have a lot invested in the current program.


If Adobe gets rid of the locally installed version (CC) and moves to a completely cloud based program, I would be hesitant to jump on board until I saw a major benefit, and no impact due to speed limitations. I don't mind adding drive space for my images, preferring NOT to keep my originals in the cloud, except for backups in Crashplan.

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Oct 18, 2017 14:35:18   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
via the lens wrote:
Is this to say someone else posted? .../...

Bingo.

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Oct 18, 2017 16:42:45   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
I am coming to the conclusion (as I had a while ago) that all our software people are driving us towards clouds.
Apple kept telling me that I was now out gig space. So I tried with "photo" to cut back. I found photo once again
very hard to use and manage. Gave up and Apple offered 5gigs .99 on iTunes so I did that. Nothing happened notices
kept coming and then went away. Dropbox a number of times a year tells me I am out of space. I payed $99 for year.
It is always wrong it had 90% left. Adobe is the worse. They have key programs especially for creatives and just keep
messing with all these programs and want you to use the CLOUD.
They want us to fill up and they can get payed. And control all our work.
I never keep any of original work on Adobe Cloud.

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Oct 18, 2017 16:51:23   #
Ednsb Loc: Santa Barbara
 
Tom, this is my life as ive been an enterprise software salesman for 35 years in the data area. You are totally right about the paradigm being shifted from perpetual licenses and storage to the cloud. The real kicker here is the hidden cost of cloud storage. It would shock most people to know that Amazon makes more money off AWS their cloud hosting platform that off the Amazon Store. Oracle, SAP and IBM are all moving to cloud apps and storage. Adobe is just following in the footsteps. And remember the hidden cost of cloud storage is the cost and performance of your ISP. I have over 500k images from a lifetime of shooting images both personally and professionally (was a sports photographer throughout college and a few years afterwards). Cox is my ISP and they have a cap of 1TB of usage per month with a $10/50MB penalty if you go above 1TB. Sounds huge but when I had to rebuild my Backblaze backups is use over 4 TB in one month. That would have cost me around $600 dollars!

Same thing is going to catch those people using wifi cameras or phones. The wireless carriers may call it unlimited but if you exceed pretty small caps they are going to slow you down a lot.

Tom Daniels wrote:
I am coming to the conclusion (as I had a while ago) that all our software people are driving us towards clouds.
Apple kept telling me that I was now out gig space. So I tried with "photo" to cut back. I found photo once again
very hard to use and manage. Gave up and Apple offered 5gigs .99 on iTunes so I did that. Nothing happened notices
kept coming and then went away. Dropbox a number of times a year tells me I am out of space. I payed $99 for year.
It is always wrong it had 90% left. Adobe is the worse. They have key programs especially for creatives and just keep
messing with all these programs and want you to use the CLOUD.
They want us to fill up and they can get payed. And control all our work.
I never keep any of original work on Adobe Cloud.
I am coming to the conclusion (as I had a while ag... (show quote)

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