Peterff
Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
rook2c4 wrote:
I think the beginner is better served sticking to JPG and focusing on the more important aspects of photography, such as composition, exposure and coming up with interesting ideas. Learning how to process RAW files can come later, after the beginner has mastered the basics. The less the beginner is overwhelmed, the easier the learning process, and the less likely the beginner will lose interest and give up. Besides, if the camera is set to RAW file output, does one really need the camera to spit out JPG files as well? Having both the camera and the photographer process and convert the same images independently seems a bit redundant to me.
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That is going to depend on each individual. There are arguments either way. As soon as any post processing is desired, raw is not more complicated, usually easier and faster, but much more effective. As soon as people perceive the difference an educational milestone has been reached. It's an easy thing to teach, especially with both formats available.
Peterff
Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
Rongnongno wrote:
Sorry but this is just a bunch of rules and unnecessary steps. Not every hobbyist wants to learn.
Actually for me there is one other method, much simpler that spells 'F R E E D O M'.
Take images of what interest you.
Before long one gets concerned by some aspect of the capture then starts to seek ways to improve.
Never forget that any hobby is for the person who is interested, not for other folks.
Not everyone who has a hobby -any hobby- needs to become expert or even good at it.
This of course is my (dissenting) opinion.
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Dissenting, pontificating, and not at all helpful. Trollish is a good description. You are likely to end up alone in your cave or under your bridge, although you may not care!
Peterff wrote:
Dissenting, pontificating, and not at all helpful. Trollish is a good description. You are likely to end up alone in your cave or under your bridge, although you may not care!
So, once again you try to push your ideas that you are right because what you call the majority thinks like you and one should not rock the boat.
Well, you are free to think that. Disturbing the thread by voicing an opposition because you feel slighted in another thread also show who you really are. You demonstrate that your general attitude on this board is a lie. You say that you do not like conflict but at the moment this is all you do: try to create one. What you do not realize is that a (tree) rat tail is more important than you are. I even get paid per tail now.
So, go ahead, spill your ire all you want and disturb as many threads as you want. If you make an ass of yourself, it is your own doing, not mine. You do not see me transfer my feelings from thread to thread. You do.
This is my last answer from me you will get on this thread. Try again and will point out the reality of your persona on line again and again.
This is the second thread you disturb today.
Excellent piece of advice.
G Brown wrote:
Learning Photography – My thoughts
Photography is a big field – and, you want to start taking images that look good straight away?
There is a lot you will have to learn. Three things make a great image: how YOU use the camera, how YOU post process the image and how YOU display that image. Getting all three right is a long journey.
Read the camera manual - it tells you how to get your camera working and how to change settings:
I suggest : Check that the camera and lens are set to Auto Focus (buttons on camera and lens)
Choose Raw + L Jpg as file format.
Choose auto focus to centre or single point.
Choose switch on gridlines (may be called Rule of Thirds)
Set Camera to full Auto mode.
Why these settings
Auto focus works 99% of the time. Centre point makes sure that what you point at is in focus.
Raw + L Jpg allows you the most choice in Post Processing and also getting the biggest print choice.
Gridlines allow you to get horizontal and verticles correctly aligned.
Full Auto will give you great images to start.
Now go out and enjoy taking ‘snaps’.
Use the software disk to process your images – See the difference between Raw and Jpg images….Make copies of your images BEFORE you play with the sliders and controls!
Read about ‘Composition in photography’. Search on-line to a variety of websites – some you will like and others will discuss it using ‘Photography speak’. Read both and get an overview of the technical terms and an ‘idea’ of why you should choose what you focus on and where in the viewfinder you place your subject….. your images will get better even when you are still useing full Auto mode.
Use Programme Auto. You will now understand easily ‘When and Where’ these different modes should be used. Combined with your increased knowledge of composition you will now have a broader understanding of different situations and lighting that you can photograph.
The fancy stuff: This requires the understanding of ‘Photography Speak’
Aperture defines both how much light comes into the camera and also whether your background is in or out of focus. (Depth of Field)
Shutter Speed defines how much movement you allow (Blur) or stop (Sharpness)
ISO controls the relationship between the both shutter and aperture. Whether you hand hold or use a tripod
This is where you get to make choices and screw up OR shine!!!! SO ALWAYS start the shoot in full auto and play later. Start to use A mode and S mode following tutorials and see how you need to change one or two settings for every picture, how the white balance and ISO needs to be thought about!!! what other ‘KIT’ you have to buy.
Now you are no longer a ‘learner’ but a novice! NOW you know enough to realise what you like to photograph and what you need to understand to get better photographs. You might even venture into Manual Mode!
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Yep! I do many of those things myself. Although some think the grid in the viewfinder is a nuisance, I prefer it.
billnikon
Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
G Brown wrote:
Learning Photography – My thoughts
Photography is a big field – and, you want to start taking images that look good straight away?
There is a lot you will have to learn. Three things make a great image: how YOU use the camera, how YOU post process the image and how YOU display that image. Getting all three right is a long journey.
Read the camera manual - it tells you how to get your camera working and how to change settings:
I suggest : Check that the camera and lens are set to Auto Focus (buttons on camera and lens)
Choose Raw + L Jpg as file format.
Choose auto focus to centre or single point.
Choose switch on gridlines (may be called Rule of Thirds)
Set Camera to full Auto mode.
Why these settings
Auto focus works 99% of the time. Centre point makes sure that what you point at is in focus.
Raw + L Jpg allows you the most choice in Post Processing and also getting the biggest print choice.
Gridlines allow you to get horizontal and verticles correctly aligned.
Full Auto will give you great images to start.
Now go out and enjoy taking ‘snaps’.
Use the software disk to process your images – See the difference between Raw and Jpg images….Make copies of your images BEFORE you play with the sliders and controls!
Read about ‘Composition in photography’. Search on-line to a variety of websites – some you will like and others will discuss it using ‘Photography speak’. Read both and get an overview of the technical terms and an ‘idea’ of why you should choose what you focus on and where in the viewfinder you place your subject….. your images will get better even when you are still useing full Auto mode.
Use Programme Auto. You will now understand easily ‘When and Where’ these different modes should be used. Combined with your increased knowledge of composition you will now have a broader understanding of different situations and lighting that you can photograph.
The fancy stuff: This requires the understanding of ‘Photography Speak’
Aperture defines both how much light comes into the camera and also whether your background is in or out of focus. (Depth of Field)
Shutter Speed defines how much movement you allow (Blur) or stop (Sharpness)
ISO controls the relationship between the both shutter and aperture. Whether you hand hold or use a tripod
This is where you get to make choices and screw up OR shine!!!! SO ALWAYS start the shoot in full auto and play later. Start to use A mode and S mode following tutorials and see how you need to change one or two settings for every picture, how the white balance and ISO needs to be thought about!!! what other ‘KIT’ you have to buy.
Now you are no longer a ‘learner’ but a novice! NOW you know enough to realise what you like to photograph and what you need to understand to get better photographs. You might even venture into Manual Mode!
Learning Photography – My thoughts br br Photogra... (
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Less talking and more clicking.
flyguy wrote:
Some good advice in my opinion.
I would suggest watch YouTube videos reviews on the camera and lenses you own or want to buy.
Well written. Copied it and printed it. Thank you.
All this might make you a picture taker. If you are real interested in photography, start with a 50mm f1.2 lens, turn off all automatic setting, take a class in basic photography, and maybe you will learn something.
rook2c4 wrote:
I think the beginner is better served sticking to JPG and focusing on the more important aspects of photography, such as composition, exposure and coming up with interesting ideas. Learning how to process RAW files can come later, after the beginner has mastered the basics. The less the beginner is overwhelmed, the easier the learning process, and the less likely the beginner will lose interest and give up. Besides, if the camera is set to RAW file output, does one really need the camera to spit out JPG files as well? Having both the camera and the photographer process and convert the same images independently seems a bit redundant to me.
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Actually it might be smartest for the beginner to shoot both RAW and JPEG if the camera is capable of that option. JPEG for now and RAW for the future when they develop a better understanding and the ability to edit images to be better. Storage space is cheap and the money and time many people put into photography can be quite a lot. To me it just makes good sense to shoot both as a beginner. if not needed the images can always be deleted later but if not captured they can not be used later, sometimes years later.
Best,
Todd Ferguson
G Brown wrote:
Learning Photography – My thoughts
Photography is a big field – and, you want to start taking images that look good straight away?
There is a lot you will have to learn. Three things make a great image: how YOU use the camera, how YOU post process the image and how YOU display that image. Getting all three right is a long journey.
Read the camera manual - it tells you how to get your camera working and how to change settings:
I suggest : Check that the camera and lens are set to Auto Focus (buttons on camera and lens)
Choose Raw + L Jpg as file format.
Choose auto focus to centre or single point.
Choose switch on gridlines (may be called Rule of Thirds)
Set Camera to full Auto mode.
Why these settings
Auto focus works 99% of the time. Centre point makes sure that what you point at is in focus.
Raw + L Jpg allows you the most choice in Post Processing and also getting the biggest print choice.
Gridlines allow you to get horizontal and verticles correctly aligned.
Full Auto will give you great images to start.
Now go out and enjoy taking ‘snaps’.
Use the software disk to process your images – See the difference between Raw and Jpg images….Make copies of your images BEFORE you play with the sliders and controls!
Read about ‘Composition in photography’. Search on-line to a variety of websites – some you will like and others will discuss it using ‘Photography speak’. Read both and get an overview of the technical terms and an ‘idea’ of why you should choose what you focus on and where in the viewfinder you place your subject….. your images will get better even when you are still useing full Auto mode.
Use Programme Auto. You will now understand easily ‘When and Where’ these different modes should be used. Combined with your increased knowledge of composition you will now have a broader understanding of different situations and lighting that you can photograph.
The fancy stuff: This requires the understanding of ‘Photography Speak’
Aperture defines both how much light comes into the camera and also whether your background is in or out of focus. (Depth of Field)
Shutter Speed defines how much movement you allow (Blur) or stop (Sharpness)
ISO controls the relationship between the both shutter and aperture. Whether you hand hold or use a tripod
This is where you get to make choices and screw up OR shine!!!! SO ALWAYS start the shoot in full auto and play later. Start to use A mode and S mode following tutorials and see how you need to change one or two settings for every picture, how the white balance and ISO needs to be thought about!!! what other ‘KIT’ you have to buy.
Now you are no longer a ‘learner’ but a novice! NOW you know enough to realise what you like to photograph and what you need to understand to get better photographs. You might even venture into Manual Mode!
Learning Photography – My thoughts br br Photogra... (
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reference
WayWay too many instructions. Firstly beginners just don't take the time to learn. They don't read their manuals, at best its a reference manual. Beginners cant tell the difference between a good photo and a bad one. They have no idea of the advanced technology they are holding in their hands. Pros make it look easy......!
I think you missed the first thing - your artistic vision. Can you see the forest for the trees?
EdR
Loc: Gig Harbor, WA
Overall fairly helpful and you up front tell,it is your thoughts. I guess I would have to say that in the photo class I took we only shot raw. Assignments and at the next class critique. Oh did I mention that we used TriX and had to process them for class? A lot easier now.🙂
gvarner wrote:
I think you missed the first thing - your artistic vision. Can you see the forest for the trees?
I think most people buy cameras to photograph their families , grand children & pets...
K-dee
Loc: South Carolina, USA
I agree with rook2c4. Start simple, concentrate on composition and exposure, and take tons of photographs. If a beginner is anything like me, their joy of being able to capturing a moment will spur them on to learn more about their camera's other modes and settings.
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