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Oct 18, 2017 15:11:52   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/infobank/camera_settings/shooting_modes.do

This explains them all. I believe I was mistakenly calling the modes Canon calls Basic Modes the Creative Modes.

Best,
Todd Ferguson

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Oct 18, 2017 15:13:17   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
amfoto1 wrote:
The Nikon 1 mirrorless cameras don't impress me and other folks seem to feel the same... I have heard that Nikon may be phasing them out and replacing them with new models that use a larger sensor.

Nikon's mirrorless are unique in that they use a so-called 1" sensor (13.2mm x 8.8mm). That's about half the size or less than Olympus'/Panasonic's micro Four/Thirds (mirrorless, 17.3mm x 13mm) or Canon APS-C (DSLRs and mirrorless, 22.8mm x 14.8mm) or Pentax', Sony's or even Nikon's own APS-C DSLRs (23.6mm x 15.7mm). And the 1" is sensor has only about one eighth the sensor area of so-called full frame (both DSLR from Nikon, Canon, Sony, Pentax... and mirrorless from Sony).

In fact, many manufacturers use 1" sensors, but only in their non-interchangeable lens "bridge" and "point-n-shoot" cameras. I think Nikon was the only manufacturer to put them in interchangeable lens cameras, probably to be able to make the cameras and lenses especially compact. But I suspect that was a mistake. A smaller sensor necessarily uses smaller individual pixel sites that are more crowded.... reducing resolution and increasing the potential for noise in images at higher ISOs. There's just too much image quality compromise with 1".

I also would be a bit concerned if the autofocus system Nikon has used in their mirrorless is up to the task of shooting kids and dogs (which tend to be quite active and much like sports photography). I really don't, so investigate this carefully. In fact, do so with any brand or model. AF performance will be important, when you're trying to get shots of those kids and pets.

If you REALLY want mirrorless, I'd at least look at models with an APS-C sensor. For landscape photography where great depth of field, and lots of detail from edge to edge, and normal to wide angle lenses would all be desirable... the best digital would be an even bigger "full frame" such as Sony or "medium format" such as Fuji GFX. However for action/sports (kids and pets) where higher performance autofocus, a usable viewfinder (either an optical VF or a highly responsive electronic VF), and more powerful, fast focusing telephoto lenses are all desirable... an APS-C DSLR is ideal, but some APS-C mirrorless might come close. There aren't a lot of powerful telephotos offered for mirrorless, but many of them can use DSLR lenses via an adapter.

Why do you want mirrorless? For the smaller size and lighter weight? If those are your primary concerns, you might instead want to look at some of the particularly compact DSLRs instead, such as the Canon Rebel SL2 (EOS 200D outside N. America). That's one of the smallest/lightest DSLRs on the market, though it still offers 24MP with an APS-C size sensor. Pair it up with some fairly compact, lightweight lenses such as the Canon EF-S 10-18mm IS STM (wide angle for landscapes), EF-S 18-135mm IS USM (fast autofocus for sports/action in good light) or perhaps instead an EF-S 17-55mm IS USM (for both lower light/indoor shooting and fast AF) paired up with a high performance zoom such as the EF 70-200mm f/4L IS USM. Of course, if needed there are even longer telephotos such as 70-300mm, 100-400mm, 300mm f/4, etc. from Canon and other manufacturers.

The biggest limitation of the SL2 is probably it's autofocus, which is rather simplistic with only 9 points, usable to -0.5 EV and has only the center AF point a higher performance "dual axis/cross type". Other bigger, heavier Canon DSLRs have as many as 65 AF points, all cross type and are able to focus in -3EV lighting, which is approx. "moonlight". While those may be more ideal for action photography, in years past I've successfully done lots of fast sports shooting with older models that used AF systems virtually identical to the SL2's.

Landscape photography and kids/pets photography are a bit at odds with each other in what each type of work ideally requires from camera and lenses. Taking size and weight concerns into account, to my way of thinking the above SL2 and lenses are a reasonable compromise that might serve both purposes very well, even if not the most ideal choices for either one. It's not going to be as small a kit as might be possible with many mirrorless, but is a lot lighter and smaller than most DSLRs... so it's a compromise in these respects, too.

Another reason to consider DSLR over mirrorless is that the latter tend to be pretty pricey. Due to their popularity, you won't find mirrorless for much less than $1000 for the body only. You can find a DSLR with similar specifications and performance for about half that.

BTW, Canon has been pretty slow to develop mirrorless cameras, too... It's taken them five years to get around to offering one with a built in viewfinder (electronic), so I've never even considered one before now. They still have a pretty miserable selection of lenses specific for mirrorless, too. Thankfully there are some third party manufacturers making some interesting lenses for them. I am considering a Canon M5 (also 24MP, APS-C) as a camera for street photography, for hiking and biking and the occasional portrait. But I definitely will NOT be giving up my APS-C DSLRs for sports/action... And for some occasional, serious landscape/architectural shooting, and a few other things I'll continue to use a full frame DSLR. The mirrorless camera will complement the DSLRs, not replace them.

P.S. You say your son is shooting with a Canon camera. That might be a reason to consider Canon yourself. Get something similar and be able to share lenses and other accessories... Plus he might give you some guidance while you're learning to use it.
The Nikon 1 mirrorless cameras don't impress me an... (show quote)


Hey Allen! You are usually spot on except when it comes to mirrorless stuff.

1 - You can most definitely find cameras in the $500-$600 range. Not all mirrorless is top of the line.

2 - m4/3 is out to 800mm now from Panasonic with their 100-400mm zoom and Olympus is at 840mm with the 300mm + tc 1.4

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Oct 18, 2017 15:46:17   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
JR45 wrote:
Most will promote the brand they are using.
Find a good local camera shop. Have them explain the opperation.
See which feels better to you.


Yeah, and there's a chance he'll wind up with a leftover Samsung, and be convinced it's the greatest camera on earth and feels great in his hands!!!
Even many here were pushing that trash a couple years ago.
Get the Canon, and at least LOOK as smart as your Son!!! LoL
SS

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Oct 18, 2017 15:59:55   #
ltcarizona
 
Any entry level camera from Canon, Nikon, Sony, Olympus, etc will work for what you want. Go to a photo shop where they can explain each one for you and the zoom lenses they offer. You do not need to spend big money since it appears you are an amateur. Anyone that tells you different is wrong. When you get more advanced you move up. I have been a professional and travel photographer for over 40 years and myself started with an entry level camera. Any pro will tell you the same thing. Good Luck.

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Oct 18, 2017 16:39:11   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Nlaw1219 wrote:
I am wanting to purchase a camera for landscape photography and at times kids and dogs. I know nothing about the cameras but am eager to learn. Taking pictures is my passion. I need recommendations on what camera to purchase. I have been looking at Nikon Mirrorless, what do you think? My son says Cannon.


Nikon and Canon are the leading dSLR makers. However, they make the least desirable mirrorless cameras on the market.

If you really want to go mirrorless, look at:

Fujifilm X-series
Olympus Pen and OM-D series
Panasonic G, GX, and GH series
Sony Alpha 6xxx series and Alpha 7r and 7s series

Many of the mirrorless cameras are more expensive than entry level dSLR cameras.

Reviews of many cameras can be found on YouTube. Formal reviews by experts are also available from sites like http://www.dpreview.com/

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Oct 18, 2017 17:29:44   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
I am a Nikon shooter mainly, but also use Canon. But, I'm here to say my Sony mirrorless is excellent and that I have read that Olympus and Fuji and producing excellent mirrorless products, I agree that Nikon and Canon are both behind the cutting edge in mirrorless technology.

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Oct 18, 2017 17:32:08   #
mizzee Loc: Boston,Ma
 
If you want mirrorless, then the big names are Olympus, Panasonic, and Sony. Olympus has 5 axis in camera stabilization, which is a big plus. I did a lot of research and decided the Olympus stabilization gave me maximum flexibility..

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Oct 18, 2017 17:42:28   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
mizzee wrote:
If you want mirrorless, then the big names are Olympus, Panasonic, and Sony. Olympus has 5 axis in camera stabilization, which is a big plus. I did a lot of research and decided the Olympus stabilization gave me maximum flexibility..


Correction, all 3 brands come with 5 axis IS. However, Panasonic and Olympus kicked it up a notch and use dual stabilization with their latest lenses. But Olympus does lead the way, having the best in the business.

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Oct 18, 2017 18:05:21   #
1950Dan Loc: Lockwood, Nevada
 
If I was starting fresh I'd go with a mirrorless Sony, Panasonic, Fuji, or Olympus camera. I like my Canon's with all the lenses and flash accessories I own but it is heavy and bulky. Go to a big camera store or major Best Buy and see what feels best in your hands.

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Oct 18, 2017 18:15:09   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
1950Dan wrote:
Go to a big camera store or major Best Buy and see what feels best in your hands.


Exactly, no matter the brand, you don’t want to buy the most popular shoes if they don’t fit you.

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Oct 18, 2017 19:05:04   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Hi Peter,

I think you might be mixing up some terminology.

Canon calls Av, Tv, P and M their cameras' "Creative Modes".

When you say you never used them, I think you're referring to the "Icon Modes", which are sort of "super auto" modes: "Running Man" icon for sports, "Mountain" icon for scenic photography, etc. (As you say, some of the more advanced models don't even have the Icon Modes.)

There's also "Creative Auto" (labelled "CA") on many Canon cameras now. That allows you to adjust things, but gives you guidance on the rear screen of the camera, what the different settings will do. Might be a good learning tool for someone first picking up one of the cameras... but ultimately is likely to slow things down too much, so probably isn't a mode that most would want to use once they've learned all it can teach them.
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Oops! My bad, you are completely right, thanks for the correction about the categories. I was referring to the 'icon or scene modes' that are found on various of the consumer cameras such as the Rebel line. I tend to stick with the 'Av, Tv, P and M' settings, which I think date from around 1978 with the A-1, and have remained fairly consistent since that time, but many new variants have been introduced at times. The good thing is that most if not all have the Program [P], Shutter priority [Tv], Aperture Priority [Av], and Manual [M] in addition to the full auto [A] modes that cover all the essential controls for core exposure aspects other than ISO settings.

Thanks for the correction.

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Oct 18, 2017 19:18:14   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/infobank/camera_settings/shooting_modes.do

This explains them all. I believe I was mistakenly calling the modes Canon calls Basic Modes the Creative Modes.

Best,
Todd Ferguson


Yep, I fell into the same trap, thinking that basic were the 'Av, Tv, P and M' settings, and it was the icon or pic symbol 'fancy' modes that were 'creative'. Thanks for the catch.

I expect to make at least one mistake everyday, so maybe I'm good until tomorrow - if I'm lucky!

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Oct 18, 2017 19:18:28   #
dyximan
 
kodiac1062 wrote:
Best advise I read on here was go to a camera shop and handle the cameras. See where the buttons are, how the camera feels in your hand, etc.

That is the absolute best advice as far as I'm concerned

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Oct 18, 2017 19:58:49   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
If you really want to have fun at the camera store ask for a left handed camera...

Best,
Todd Ferguson

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Oct 18, 2017 20:18:31   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
If you really want to have fun at the camera store ask for a left handed camera...

Best,
Todd Ferguson


Or the Australian model, where you have to stand on your head to capture images the right way up in the northern hemisphere?

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