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Oct 17, 2017 22:20:31   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
Peterff wrote:
To say that "Canon and Nikon are both dead ends in the mirror less world" is somewhat of an over reach and shows a myopic viewpoint. Certainly for buying now or in the imminent future I wouldn't go with either Nikon or Canon, but I wouldn't buy any mirror less camera yet. Both Nikon and Canon are investing quite heavily in mirror less systems, Canon appears to be ahead of Nikon currently, but in two or so years the market landscape may be very different. Several vendors have excellent mirror less products right now, if mirror less is the way to go, but this is a market in transition, and much may change in the next five years.
To say that "Canon and Nikon are both dead en... (show quote)


....and in five years time there will be something else just over the horizon, so may as well wait another two to five years before buying a beginners camera???? The kids will be grown and the dog may be dead by then.

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Oct 17, 2017 22:22:04   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
Haydon wrote:
The OP needs to supply more information. He might as well posed the question, "I'm looking for a new vehicle, what car should I buy?"


That one is easy - Toyota

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Oct 17, 2017 22:34:09   #
mcveed Loc: Kelowna, British Columbia (between trips)
 
If you are serious about the mirrorless part of your post forget Canon and Nikon. The leaders in the mirrorless field are Sony for APSC and FX sensors, and Panasonic and Olympus are the leaders in the Micro 4/3 sensor size. A little time on the internet with Youtube searching for some of these terms will educate you pretty quickly and help you decide where in this vast field you want to settle.

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Oct 17, 2017 23:31:54   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
repleo wrote:
....and in five years time there will be something else just over the horizon, so may as well wait another two to five years before buying a beginners camera???? The kids will be grown and the dog may be dead by then.


Not if you play country music backwards. I'm just challenging you on the dead end theory, but perhaps you don't have access to facts, or simply have no use for them!

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Oct 17, 2017 23:37:27   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
mcveed wrote:
If you are serious about the mirrorless part of your post forget Canon and Nikon. The leaders in the mirrorless field are Sony for APSC and FX sensors, and Panasonic and Olympus are the leaders in the Micro 4/3 sensor size. A little time on the internet with Youtube searching for some of these terms will educate you pretty quickly and help you decide where in this vast field you want to settle.


That is a fair assessment currently. Nikon appears to be investing now, what they do and how long it will take we do not know. Canon has several mirror less developments in flight, including full frame mirror less, and the M5 and M6 aren't bad, just not yet competitive. However, when taking the complete system aspect into consideration the landscape changes.

If a long term ownership model is relevant, lenses and other accessories it is a different decision process.

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Oct 18, 2017 00:07:22   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
Peterff wrote:
Not if you play country music backwards. I'm just challenging you on the dead end theory, but perhaps you don't have access to facts, or simply have no use for them!


You completely undermine your basic argument in your reply to mcveed above ...... 'what they do and how long it will take we do not know'..... is a fact. The rest of your observations are just vapor.

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Oct 18, 2017 00:26:54   #
mcveed Loc: Kelowna, British Columbia (between trips)
 
Peterff wrote:
That is a fair assessment currently. Nikon appears to be investing now, what they do and how long it will take we do not know. Canon has several mirror less developments in flight, including full frame mirror less, and the M5 and M6 aren't bad, just not yet competitive. However, when taking the complete system aspect into consideration the landscape changes.

If a long term ownership model is relevant, lenses and other accessories it is a different decision process.


Of course it is. But we often have to make decisions without knowing what the future will bring. Part of the decision process is deciding what format you want for the long term. If you must have a Nikon or Canon then put your money in the bank and wait until one or both of them come up with a mirrorless camera that fills your bill. Otherwise choose from what is available now from Sony, Olympus or Panasonic. Buying into this fast paced technology stream is not easy, but you either dive in or sit on the bank and wait.

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Oct 18, 2017 01:09:12   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
mcveed wrote:
Of course it is. But we often have to make decisions without knowing what the future will bring. Part of the decision process is deciding what format you want for the long term. If you must have a Nikon or Canon then put your money in the bank and wait until one or both of them come up with a mirrorless camera that fills your bill. Otherwise choose from what is available now from Sony, Olympus or Panasonic. Buying into this fast paced technology stream is not easy, but you either dive in or sit on the bank and wait.
Of course it is. But we often have to make decisio... (show quote)


I agree. I wouldn't buy either a Canon or Nikon mirror less now. I personally wouldn't buy any mirror less camera yet, but I already have a system investment.

If a mirror less system is the right solution then the obvious candidates are Fuji, Sony, Panasonic, Olympus, among others.

Tecnology is fast paced, but it is frequently predictable in the longer term. It is far too early to count out either Canon or Nikon, but it will likely be a year or two before either really establishes itself with mirror less camera leadership in America or Europe.

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Oct 18, 2017 01:16:00   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
repleo wrote:
You completely undermine your basic argument in your reply to mcveed above ...... 'what they do and how long it will take we do not know'..... is a fact. The rest of your observations are just vapor.


Sorry, no. There is a lot of available information if one is watchful and understands market trends. You may not have understood my comment, but it is not just vapor. Let's just say that it is informed conjecture. We know a lot more about the Canon roadmap than we do about Nikon in this regard, but I expect to see some interesting developments from Nikon before long.

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Oct 18, 2017 01:46:10   #
Haydon
 
repleo wrote:
That one is easy - Toyota

You answer requires more detail just like the OP unfortunately. You listed a car manufacturer and not the car :)

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Oct 18, 2017 06:02:16   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
Peterff wrote:
Sorry, no. There is a lot of available information if one is watchful and understands market trends. You may not have understood my comment, but it is not just vapor. Let's just say that it is informed conjecture. We know a lot more about the Canon roadmap than we do about Nikon in this regard, but I expect to see some interesting developments from Nikon before long.


Informed conjecture does not make it a fact.

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Oct 18, 2017 06:04:35   #
jsimp3 Loc: Tennessee
 
You will not go wrong with either Nikon or Canon... both offer plenty of lens selections. I personally shoot with Nikon bodies, but also use Fuji for mirrorless street photography, portraits, and nature and wildlife. Either body will serve you well in your interest areas, however both Canon and Nikon offer more professional quality lenses if you choose to grow your arsenal, and expand your shooting to sports, and wildlife. Many photographers today are switching, or including mirrorless bodies.

For portraits, and nature you will not need high end bodies... purchase according to your budget.

Hope this helps

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Oct 18, 2017 06:10:49   #
BJW
 
If you are fixated on a Canon, that fine. I would suggest a Canon Rebel T6. It’s light, compact and will give you excellent image quality shooting in Automatic mode or any of the other creative modes if you choose to learn them.

What you choose to shoot will determine what lenses to buy, a single focal length or a telescopic or likely one of each.

Go to a good camera store and pick it up, hold it and play with it. If the store has a good return policy, buy it and try it out. Chances are yu will love it and keep it. If not, bring it back and go on to the next one.

You can also check out DPReview.com for excellent and honest reviews for virtually every camera on the market. Another option is TonyNorthup’s youtube videos where he compares many popular cameras.

Here’s wishing you many years of shooting pleasure.

BJW

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Oct 18, 2017 06:17:10   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Both Canon and Nikon mirrorless are not good choice. Check out the Olympus. Sony and Fuji make good mirrorless too.


For mirrorless, Fuji seems to have the edge, at least according to the reviews I've read.

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Oct 18, 2017 07:03:21   #
muggins88 Loc: Inverness, Florida
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Both Canon and Nikon mirrorless are not good choice. Check out the Olympus. Sony and Fuji make good mirrorless too.



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