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Oct 12, 2017 07:32:11   #
jackpinoh Loc: Kettering, OH 45419
 
PatM wrote:
Hello Ladies and Germs,

I have Been taking photos using manual for a short period of time. I guess a couple months now. I went to a wedding this Sat. with our camera. I had a little hope that the skills I have been studying might show up in the photos I captured. Sadly it was an unhappy result. I was not doing this for anyone but my experience. Nobody was counting on me but me. Most all photos taken in auto were satisfactory to Good. Most of the manual focus photos I took were out of focus blurred or otherwise virtually unusable. When in live view the screen looked acceptable for taking but end result was not. I did not use a tripod at all as I did not want to interfere with the real photographer. I believe there was vibration or movement showing in some of the photos but not all and none when in auto. Needless to say I am disappointed that even a modicum of competence was not displayed in my endeavor. Lighting was horrible but not an excuse. Just venting frustration.
Have a good day
Hello Ladies and Germs, br br I have Been taking ... (show quote)

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice--now you know better.

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Oct 12, 2017 07:33:44   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
PatM wrote:
Hello Ladies and Germs,

I have Been taking photos using manual for a short period of time. I guess a couple months now. I went to a wedding this Sat. with our camera. I had a little hope that the skills I have been studying might show up in the photos I captured. Sadly it was an unhappy result. I was not doing this for anyone but my experience. Nobody was counting on me but me. Most all photos taken in auto were satisfactory to Good. Most of the manual focus photos I took were out of focus blurred or otherwise virtually unusable. When in live view the screen looked acceptable for taking but end result was not. I did not use a tripod at all as I did not want to interfere with the real photographer. I believe there was vibration or movement showing in some of the photos but not all and none when in auto. Needless to say I am disappointed that even a modicum of competence was not displayed in my endeavor. Lighting was horrible but not an excuse. Just venting frustration.
Have a good day
Hello Ladies and Germs, br br I have Been taking ... (show quote)


Just be happy that you didn't do what some here have done... shoot for the bride and groom without adequate experience. Keep practicing, and if you post some of your failures here,I'm sure members can identify the problem(s). BTW, it's impractical to use a tripod at a wedding, except possibly for the posed family shots. Things move too fast.

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Oct 12, 2017 07:40:51   #
jccash Loc: Longwood, Florida
 
Getting use to the light meter your images will turn out good. Also, you will get use to learning to use exposure compensation adjustment.

Takes time and practice. I use D500 and only use manual.

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Oct 12, 2017 07:48:09   #
crazydaddio Loc: Toronto Ontario Canada
 
aellman wrote:
Just be happy that you didn't do what some here have done... shoot for the bride and groom without adequate experience. Keep practicing, and if you post some of your failures here,I'm sure members can identify the problem(s). BTW, it's impractical to use a tripod at a wedding, except possibly for the posed family shots. Things move too fast.


Precisely. I always use a tripod for the family shots. Allows for framing/perspective consistency, and use triggers so I can talk to the families and dont have to dip behind the camara at the shutter moment).

Otherwise...tripod is not practical....

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Oct 12, 2017 07:52:41   #
Maik723
 
PatM wrote:
Hello Ladies and Germs,

I have Been taking photos using manual for a short period of time. I guess a couple months now. I went to a wedding this Sat. with our camera. I had a little hope that the skills I have been studying might show up in the photos I captured. Sadly it was an unhappy result. I was not doing this for anyone but my experience. Nobody was counting on me but me. Most all photos taken in auto were satisfactory to Good. Most of the manual focus photos I took were out of focus blurred or otherwise virtually unusable. When in live view the screen looked acceptable for taking but end result was not. I did not use a tripod at all as I did not want to interfere with the real photographer. I believe there was vibration or movement showing in some of the photos but not all and none when in auto. Needless to say I am disappointed that even a modicum of competence was not displayed in my endeavor. Lighting was horrible but not an excuse. Just venting frustration.
Have a good day
Hello Ladies and Germs, br br I have Been taking ... (show quote)


Next time,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, shoot with aperture on highest setting (ex. 2.8), shutter at least the reciprocal of lens (ex. 100mm = 1/100) and ISO on auto. Remember, elbows close to body when taking shots. Use lens with stabilizer or vibration control. Noise can be cleaned up in post processing. TRY THIS AND GOOD LUCK.

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Oct 12, 2017 08:06:12   #
mikeroetex Loc: Lafayette, LA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
It continues to amaze me that people prefer to shoot in full manual. Auto everything is very fast and near perfect every time. Forty years ago, I had to focus manually and set exposure by matching a needle and a spot. There's no way I would want to go back to that system. My car starts with the push of a button, and it shifts up and down by itself. Why would I want to go back to crank starting and manual shifting?

You realize that by not cranking and shifting, you could be accused of not being a "real" driver?

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Oct 12, 2017 09:02:29   #
fourlocks Loc: Londonderry, NH
 
jerryc41 wrote:
It continues to amaze me that people prefer to shoot in full manual. Auto everything is very fast and near perfect every time. Forty years ago, I had to focus manually and set exposure by matching a needle and a spot. There's no way I would want to go back to that system. My car starts with the push of a button, and it shifts up and down by itself. Why would I want to go back to crank starting and manual shifting?


Thank God someone has the guts to admit it. For the 99% of us who are not pure professionals there are many, many times when an auto mode is the best choice. If I'm shooting outdoors where I have the time to properly set everything, I'll shoot full manual and experiment with a few different settings. When I'm taking shots at a family event where quickly hitting the shutter button is necessary to capture candids and I just want properly exposed photos, I'll shoot on auto, aperture or shutter priority mode. The programming in a modern DSLR is incredibly good at figuring out the best settings in a few microseconds and until I get that fast, I'll rely on my camera to do what it was designed to do in most circumstances.

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Oct 12, 2017 09:07:43   #
AlfredU Loc: Mooresville, NC
 
PatM wrote:
Hello Ladies and Germs,

I have Been taking photos using manual for a short period of time. I guess a couple months now. I went to a wedding this Sat. with our camera. I had a little hope that the skills I have been studying might show up in the photos I captured. Sadly it was an unhappy result. I was not doing this for anyone but my experience. Nobody was counting on me but me. Most all photos taken in auto were satisfactory to Good. Most of the manual focus photos I took were out of focus blurred or otherwise virtually unusable. When in live view the screen looked acceptable for taking but end result was not. I did not use a tripod at all as I did not want to interfere with the real photographer. I believe there was vibration or movement showing in some of the photos but not all and none when in auto. Needless to say I am disappointed that even a modicum of competence was not displayed in my endeavor. Lighting was horrible but not an excuse. Just venting frustration.
Have a good day
Hello Ladies and Germs, br br I have Been taking ... (show quote)

First, let me commend you for admitting you are the source of your image problems and for trying something new. There is nothing wrong with manual focus, but you need to use the eye lever viewfinder in order to see well enough to focus, if your camera has one. I suspect in some cases, your shutter speed was slow enough to cause blur due to camera shake.

Pat, if you want to shorten that learning curve, find a good course. Not online, but in person. You can't get feedback on your practice from an online course. Believe me on this, I owned a company that developed online courses for 31 years. You will have more fun working with real people and you will learn the basics, which is what you need. And you should use your instruction manual, or even better another book to learn the operation of your camera before you take the class. Have fun and keep learning.

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Oct 12, 2017 09:10:52   #
kbatschke Loc: Chicagoland-west
 
jerryc41 wrote:
It continues to amaze me that people prefer to shoot in full manual. Auto everything is very fast and near perfect every time. Forty years ago, I had to focus manually and set exposure by matching a needle and a spot. There's no way I would want to go back to that system. My car starts with the push of a button, and it shifts up and down by itself. Why would I want to go back to crank starting and manual shifting?





There is a place for manual focus (macro, long exposure etc.) and a place for full manual exposure when absolute control over all aspects of the image is desired. I prefer to shoot in either aperture or shutter speed priority depending on my subject, limit the ISO to what my camera can reasonable handle (3200 in my case) and let the sophisticated brain in my camera do the heavy lifting. I override when appropriate but I very rarely get an exposure so far out that I can't fix with some mild editing in post. If I were only doing on-tripod, setup the shot type photography, I could see the value of all manual exposure. I tend to shoot run and gun subjects and the extra time needed to set exposure (I know, it may only be a second or two) may mean losing the shot. I realize the OP is not addressing manual exposure in his post but I feel like he's gone down the full manual path (including focus) because he thinks that's the only way to get great images. Like Jerryc41, I spent a decade with all manual 35mm equipment and fully understand the nuances. I'm getting better exposures in semi-auto mode now with current metering technology than I ever did with full manual.

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Oct 12, 2017 09:15:38   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
Bobspez wrote:
Shooting manual generally means setting your own aperture and shutter speed, sometimes iso as well, not focusing manually. Unless you use a tripod and the live view magnifier to generate a 6x or better magnified view of the focus point there's not much chance your eyesight will outperform your autofocus.


Your response is totally off-point. The OP was not talking about using manual focus.

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Oct 12, 2017 09:18:24   #
ballsafire Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana
 
jerryc41 wrote:
It continues to amaze me that people prefer to shoot in full manual. Auto everything is very fast and near perfect every time. Forty years ago, I had to focus manually and set exposure by matching a needle and a spot. There's no way I would want to go back to that system. My car starts with the push of a button, and it shifts up and down by itself. Why would I want to go back to crank starting and manual shifting?



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Oct 12, 2017 09:20:31   #
AlfredU Loc: Mooresville, NC
 
kbatschke wrote:


There is a place for manual focus (macro, long exposure etc.) and a place for full manual exposure when absolute control over all aspects of the image is desired. I prefer to shoot in either aperture or shutter speed priority depending on my subject, limit the ISO to what my camera can reasonable handle (3200 in my case) and let the sophisticated brain in my camera do the heavy lifting. I override when appropriate but I very rarely get an exposure so far out that I can't fix with some mild editing in post. If I were only doing on-tripod, setup the shot type photography, I could see the value of all manual exposure. I tend to shoot run and gun subjects and the extra time needed to set exposure (I know, it may only be a second or two) may mean losing the shot. I realize the OP is not addressing manual exposure in his post but I feel like he's gone down the full manual path (including focus) because he thinks that's the only way to get great images. Like Jerryc41, I spent a decade with all manual 35mm equipment and fully understand the nuances. I'm getting better exposures in semi-auto mode now with current metering technology than I ever did with full manual.
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Agreed, the semi auto exposure modes are excellent and still give full creative control. I don't understand all this BS about shooting in manual or you are not a real photographer. When I want to over or under expose, I use the exposure compensation option. I also make a test shot when I can and check the histogram. This will all make sense to you Pat once you take that course.

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Oct 12, 2017 09:21:12   #
AlfredU Loc: Mooresville, NC
 
leftj wrote:
Your response is totally off-point. The OP was not talking about using manual focus.

Yes, I think he is.

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Oct 12, 2017 09:21:24   #
ballsafire Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana
 
BJW wrote:
If the wedding you describe was indoors with low light, achieving sharp focus is difficult for that very reason. A fast lense (1.4, 1.7) and increasing your ISO to as high as your camera will go without producing too much noise might be a way to go. I think you may then be able to achieve better focus.



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Oct 12, 2017 09:24:06   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
Bobspez wrote:
Shooting manual generally means setting your own aperture and shutter speed, sometimes iso as well, not focusing manually. Unless you use a tripod and the live view magnifier to generate a 6x or better magnified view of the focus point there's not much chance your eyesight will outperform your autofocus.


Ah yes, the beauty of the EVF!

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