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Oct 11, 2017 15:47:12   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
1963mca wrote:
The D850 is giving me real GAS, however I'm going to pass at this time. My D800 has far more capability than I as an "advanced" amateur. The only reason for thinking of changing is GAS. My reason for passing at this time is that at my age I expect I will only get one or two more DSLR's. The only DSLR's I've had are the D90 and the D800, both of which I still have. I entered the world of digital in 2008 with the D90, adding it to my Nikon F4 (which I still use). I was so new to digital I didn't even realize that DX meant a crop sensor, I just thought the D90 was a top of the line amateurs 35mm (FF) DSLR camera. The info I read at the time didn't really describe the crop aspect. All I knew was that it was a lot less expensive than the "Pro" Nikons. I was and am still happy with the D90 and the DX format is absolutely no hindrance to me, has no bearing on the desire to upgrade, but GAS forced me to want an actual FF camera. Didn't need it, just wanted one. Plus I have a lot of FX lenses from the F4 era and have now added more (yes, have used them on the D90). Finally bit the bullet in 2014 and jumped in to the D800. Again, far more camera than I need but love it. So this was a gap of 6 years between my first DSLR and latest DSLR. Now, looking at the timeline of Nikon FX releases I see a span of only 2 to 3 years between them, each offering interesting steps forward, especially in sensor size and/or iso. So my thought is, since I've only had my D800 for 3 years now that the D850 is out, what will Nikon be releasing in another 3 years? If I keep my 6 year gap between DSLR purchases then I'm wondering what Nikon will have for us in 2020? Figure if I start saving now, I'll even have enough money to buy whatever they have to offer by then. If I had a real reason to upgrade, I'd get a D850, but..... I can wait. Anybody else thinking of waiting?
The D850 is giving me real GAS, however I'm going ... (show quote)

The test of a good restaurant is not how much food they put on the plate but how good it tastes.

According to DxOMark, both the D610 and Df do better than the D850 on dynamic range and noise.

There is more to it than how many megapixels a camera can produce.

Dynamic range
Dynamic range...
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Signal to noise
Signal to noise...
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Oct 11, 2017 15:59:48   #
Shutterbugsailer Loc: Staten Island NY (AKA Cincinnati by the Sea)
 
1963mca wrote:
The D850 is giving me real GAS, however I'm going to pass at this time. My D800 has far more capability than I as an "advanced" amateur. The only reason for thinking of changing is GAS. My reason for passing at this time is that at my age I expect I will only get one or two more DSLR's. The only DSLR's I've had are the D90 and the D800, both of which I still have. I entered the world of digital in 2008 with the D90, adding it to my Nikon F4 (which I still use). I was so new to digital I didn't even realize that DX meant a crop sensor, I just thought the D90 was a top of the line amateurs 35mm (FF) DSLR camera. The info I read at the time didn't really describe the crop aspect. All I knew was that it was a lot less expensive than the "Pro" Nikons. I was and am still happy with the D90 and the DX format is absolutely no hindrance to me, has no bearing on the desire to upgrade, but GAS forced me to want an actual FF camera. Didn't need it, just wanted one. Plus I have a lot of FX lenses from the F4 era and have now added more (yes, have used them on the D90). Finally bit the bullet in 2014 and jumped in to the D800. Again, far more camera than I need but love it. So this was a gap of 6 years between my first DSLR and latest DSLR. Now, looking at the timeline of Nikon FX releases I see a span of only 2 to 3 years between them, each offering interesting steps forward, especially in sensor size and/or iso. So my thought is, since I've only had my D800 for 3 years now that the D850 is out, what will Nikon be releasing in another 3 years? If I keep my 6 year gap between DSLR purchases then I'm wondering what Nikon will have for us in 2020? Figure if I start saving now, I'll even have enough money to buy whatever they have to offer by then. If I had a real reason to upgrade, I'd get a D850, but..... I can wait. Anybody else thinking of waiting?
The D850 is giving me real GAS, however I'm going ... (show quote)


With a mortgage, boat and car payments, I have no other choice

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Oct 11, 2017 16:46:52   #
Timid
 
It seems you are being selective in your comparison of the D850 to other Nikons. When I go to DxOMark, I see the following summary analysis of the camera:
Conclusion
The introduction of the first BSI sensor in a full-frame Nikon DSLR with a super-high 45.7Mp resolution puts the Nikon D850’s image quality on par with, and often better than, medium-format cameras. The first DSLR to hit 100 points — rather apt for Nikon’s hundredth anniversary year — puts the Nikon D850 in a class of its own for image quality. At base ISO, it’s unrivaled for color in the DSLR class, and its headline dynamic range score is outstanding, too. Against the competitor high-resolution options from Sony and Canon, the D850 offers either better or close to comparable image quality throughout the ISO range. Although its headline ISO score doesn’t quite achieve the same lofty heights overall, it’s still a very capable performer at high ISO sensitivities, too. So if you’re looking for the best image quality at low ISOs, at significantly less cost than a digital medium-format camera, the Nikon D850 looks like the camera you’ve been waiting for.

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Oct 11, 2017 17:12:59   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Timid wrote:
It seems you are being selective in your comparison of the D850 to other Nikons. When I go to DxOMark, I see the following summary analysis of the camera:
Conclusion
The introduction of the first BSI sensor in a full-frame Nikon DSLR with a super-high 45.7Mp resolution puts the Nikon D850’s image quality on par with, and often better than, medium-format cameras. The first DSLR to hit 100 points — rather apt for Nikon’s hundredth anniversary year — puts the Nikon D850 in a class of its own for image quality. At base ISO, it’s unrivaled for color in the DSLR class, and its headline dynamic range score is outstanding, too. Against the competitor high-resolution options from Sony and Canon, the D850 offers either better or close to comparable image quality throughout the ISO range. Although its headline ISO score doesn’t quite achieve the same lofty heights overall, it’s still a very capable performer at high ISO sensitivities, too. So if you’re looking for the best image quality at low ISOs, at significantly less cost than a digital medium-format camera, the Nikon D850 looks like the camera you’ve been waiting for.
It seems you are being selective in your compariso... (show quote)

How many lenses do you (or any of us) have that can match that resolution? None!

If you want to delude yourself into thinking that a D850 is going to solve your resolution demands, knock yourself out.

Are you ready to invest between $1,500 and $5,000 each for prime lenses that are good enough? I bet not. Put a zoom on it and you’ll be lucky to get the equivalent of 24MP.

I already use medium and large format film kits that exceed the resolution of th D850 and I have lenses to match. They did not cost me an arm and a leg.

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Oct 11, 2017 17:33:02   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
Sinewsworn wrote:
Waiting for D810 prices to come down.


Great camera!

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Oct 11, 2017 19:11:37   #
WorldTraveler Loc: San Antonio, TX, now in Greenfield IN
 
I started with a D60, not knowing better, but enjoyed the camera even with the limitations of 3 focus points, etc . Last year I upgraded to the D5500 just before the announcement of the D5600. I'm still learning to use all of the differences and new capabilities the D5500 present, and I know the 850 would be interesting and to use. I just cannot justify the expenditure of that much money, to say nothing of the cost of the requisite lens which I would like to add. As many have commented, it will be surpassed by the next new hardware, so I thinkle I'll see if finances will allow another GAS challenge for a refurbished or used unit in the future.

Clint

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Oct 11, 2017 19:31:39   #
travelwp Loc: New Jersey
 
selmslie wrote:
Are you ready to invest between $1,500 and $5,000 each for prime lenses that are good enough? I bet not. .


I put a Tamron SP 45mm F/1.8 Di VC USD on my D850 and it works great. It may be the best autofocus lens in that mm range at only $400.

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Oct 11, 2017 20:29:35   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
travelwp wrote:
I put a Tamron SP 45mm F/1.8 Di VC USD on my D850 and it works great. It may be the best autofocus lens in that mm range at only $400.

My Tamron SP 35mm F1.8 Di VC USD is not too shabby either at close to the same price.

There are very few lenses that reach 36 mp on a D800e according to DxOMark. Most of those are very expensive primes.

System resolution is, of course, a combination of sensor and lens resolution. With today's cameras, the limiting factor is the lens, not the sensor.

It will be interesting to see how the high resolution lenses sort out once they get tested with the D850.

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Oct 11, 2017 20:55:55   #
Billynikon Loc: Atlanta
 
My first digital was a D40, then a D60 which I converted to infrared, two D200's which were great since they were waterproof, rain anyway. Gave one to my son who kept on losing his cameras in the Keys. Got a D4 which solved my speed issues. Then the DF just did something to me and it is still doing it. May not have all the megapixels but it takes great pictures, beautiful color, great B&W. And it just a joy to hold. But I want 850, it will replace the D4, give me megapixels I never knew I wanted. Make a great extra body to take on trips since it and the DF are both FX and I can use the same lenses. And neither has a flash so I can carry only my trusty SB800.

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Oct 11, 2017 20:57:54   #
travelwp Loc: New Jersey
 
selmslie wrote:
My Tamron SP 35mm F1.8 Di VC USD is not too shabby either at close to the same price. .


Indeed. Tamron's recent upgrade to the SP lenses have been given high ratings by a number of professional shooters.

I too will be looking forward to the ratings with the D850.

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Oct 11, 2017 21:14:07   #
Digital1022 Loc: Holland, PA
 
bpulv wrote:
Grass stains come out in the wash.


Yea, but bites from ants, scorpions, spiders, etc. don't come out in the wash, nor does poison ivy. Furthermore, do you know what focus stacking is. In case you don't, it's the process of making the foreground, middle ground and background tack sharp particularly important in some landscape and macro photography. Go a head and try it with out an LCD. If you don't shoot that type of photography, then you may not need it. But don't speculate that because you don't need it, nobody needs it. If you ask most pros, they will tell you that it is a very important tool that they would not be without. Please don't try to imply that no one needs it and any type of photography can create the same quality images with a camera that does not have an LCD, because that my friend is "fake news".

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Oct 11, 2017 21:37:59   #
Digital1022 Loc: Holland, PA
 
selmslie wrote:
How many lenses do you (or any of us) have that can match that resolution? None!

If you want to delude yourself into thinking that a D850 is going to solve your resolution demands, knock yourself out.

Are you ready to invest between $1,500 and $5,000 each for prime lenses that are good enough? I bet not. Put a zoom on it and you’ll be lucky to get the equivalent of 24MP.

I already use medium and large format film kits that exceed the resolution of th D850 and I have lenses to match. They did not cost me an arm and a leg.
How many lenses do you (or any of us) have that ca... (show quote)


What's your problem? You post a graph that you think proves a point that you want to make, but you fail to read the underlying analysis of what the data really means and look like a dweeb. You want to shoot medium format film, knock yourself out. I frankly got real tired of buying film, storing it, developing it, blah, blah, blah. Your statement about putting a zoom on and only getting 24 mp, is totally without foundation and just your opinion. So, please don't try to insult the rest of us who love what digital brings to the table. Also, don't make statements you can't possibly back up like "How many lenses do you have that can match the resolution? None!" There are a lot of us on here who can prove you dead wrong on that question alone. Advice: Offer your opinion, but don't preach, or you are liable not to like the results.

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Oct 11, 2017 21:43:35   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
Digital1022 wrote:
Yea, but bites from ants, scorpions, spiders, etc. don't come out in the wash, nor does poison ivy. Furthermore, do you know what focus stacking is. In case you don't, it's the process of making the foreground, middle ground and background tack sharp particularly important in some landscape and macro photography. Go a head and try it with out an LCD. If you don't shoot that type of photography, then you may not need it. But don't speculate that because you don't need it, nobody needs it. If you ask most pros, they will tell you that it is a very important tool that they would not be without. Please don't try to imply that no one needs it and any type of photography can create the same quality images with a camera that does not have an LCD, because that my friend is "fake news".
Yea, but bites from ants, scorpions, spiders, etc.... (show quote)


I thought he was talking about a tilting LCD not 'no LCD', thats how you misquote someone. Also introducing 'fake news' just adds a political under current which has no part in a photographic discussion.

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Oct 11, 2017 22:18:43   #
Digital1022 Loc: Holland, PA
 
blackest wrote:
I thought he was talking about a tilting LCD not 'no LCD', thats how you misquote someone. Also introducing 'fake news' just adds a political under current which has no part in a photographic discussion.


Thank you for pointing out my mistake. I clearly meant tilting LCD as a fixed LCD does not solve the problem that was described.

As to the other, you are entitled to your opinion.

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Oct 12, 2017 00:09:53   #
ecar Loc: Oregon, USA
 
1963mca wrote:
The D850 is giving me real GAS, however I'm going to pass at this time. My D800 has far more capability than I as an "advanced" amateur. The only reason for thinking of changing is GAS. My reason for passing at this time is that at my age I expect I will only get one or two more DSLR's. The only DSLR's I've had are the D90 and the D800, both of which I still have. I entered the world of digital in 2008 with the D90, adding it to my Nikon F4 (which I still use). I was so new to digital I didn't even realize that DX meant a crop sensor, I just thought the D90 was a top of the line amateurs 35mm (FF) DSLR camera. The info I read at the time didn't really describe the crop aspect. All I knew was that it was a lot less expensive than the "Pro" Nikons. I was and am still happy with the D90 and the DX format is absolutely no hindrance to me, has no bearing on the desire to upgrade, but GAS forced me to want an actual FF camera. Didn't need it, just wanted one. Plus I have a lot of FX lenses from the F4 era and have now added more (yes, have used them on the D90). Finally bit the bullet in 2014 and jumped in to the D800. Again, far more camera than I need but love it. So this was a gap of 6 years between my first DSLR and latest DSLR. Now, looking at the timeline of Nikon FX releases I see a span of only 2 to 3 years between them, each offering interesting steps forward, especially in sensor size and/or iso. So my thought is, since I've only had my D800 for 3 years now that the D850 is out, what will Nikon be releasing in another 3 years? If I keep my 6 year gap between DSLR purchases then I'm wondering what Nikon will have for us in 2020? Figure if I start saving now, I'll even have enough money to buy whatever they have to offer by then. If I had a real reason to upgrade, I'd get a D850, but..... I can wait. Anybody else thinking of waiting?
The D850 is giving me real GAS, however I'm going ... (show quote)



I just hate it when a new camera in my model line comes out. The temptation to upgrade, whether we really need to or not, is tremendous.

Now the difference between the 700 and 800 was/is considerable. But that difference doesn't exist between the 800/810 vs the 850. The gap isn't considerable, unless it has a feature that you really want. And I might add, that your 800 has a built in lens where the 850 does not. And of course there's a big gap in the price difference too!

You can kick back in comfort with your 800 and enjoy it. It's still a great camera.

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