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Sep 9, 2017 12:55:39   #
via the lens (a regular here)
 
joer wrote:
I'd like to hear some opinions on this.

If the resources were available and you presently owned the D810 and D500 would you sell one or both and buy the D850?


I presently own the D800 and the D500 and have no plans to buy the D850. I am happy with what these two cameras do for me. Obviously, it's a personal choice and dependent on one's personal desires, needs, budget. I do not think the D850 would do more for me than my current camera selection.

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Sep 9, 2017 12:56:40   #
rgrenaderphoto (a regular here)
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I know that "Real Photographers" never use that silly little flash, but I do.


I know several Pros who use the pop up to trigger other flashes optically.

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Sep 9, 2017 13:00:50   #
mudduck
 
Heck, even my Hasselblad HD3II has a pop up flash, don't use it much but I'm glad its there for not that an important shot, like my wife sleeping with her mouth open on the couch.

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Sep 9, 2017 13:01:53   #
via the lens (a regular here)
 
mudduck wrote:
Heck, even my Hasselblad HD3II has a pop up flash, don't use it much but I'm glad its there for not that an important shot, like my wife sleeping with her mouth open on the couch.


...your wife should sock you for that comment....

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Sep 9, 2017 13:08:04   #
Kuzano
 
joer wrote:
I'd like to hear some opinions on this.

If the resources were available and you presently owned the D810 and D500 would you sell one or both and buy the D850?


I'd pile the money on the table in front of me, and then I would go on the internet and pull up old reviews and posts on the HUGE F/U Nikon made with the D600 and "jacked" people around for months. What can we really know about the 850 at this point.

Then I'd take the money and buy some flight time at the airport on the local Cessna($45 hourly Wet), or some truly rewarding goodies for my classic Chevy Truck.

Jesus, Who needs another camera?

But hey, that's me, Another NOT-Fan of Nikon!!!

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Sep 9, 2017 13:18:50   #
jackpinoh
 
joer wrote:
What is the basis for lack of image quality. You can't possibly have tested it yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTHAnfMWAHQ&t=24s
I shoot both DSLRs and mirrorless cameras. I think DSLRs improvements are diminishing with each new release. 1) the mirror limits the type of improvements that can be made (eye AF, histogram and exposure in viewfinder before shot, in-body stabilization), and 2) DSLRs always seem to be a generation behind mirrorless cameras (focus peaking [but not in viewfinder], focus adjust, zebras, electronic front curtain shutter). The D850 may be the best DSLR, but not significantly better than the D810 or the A7R2. I have used the D810 and the A7R2 for landscape photography. The D810 is a pain because you have to move the mirror out of the way for every shot to avoid vibration at low shutter speeds. Also, the Zeiss Batis lenses and the Sony GM lenses on the A7R2 are, in my opinion, much better than anything I can get for Nikon cameras. This is supported by DxOMark test data.

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Sep 9, 2017 13:44:10   #
Kuzano
 
Only justifiable reason to buy the 850... Price.

Price would constitute one month alimony to my EX-wife. I would tell her that is why the check is late this month. I am forever looking for ways to P___ her off, and combining my hobby with that is Perfect!!!

Only good reason to look at a Nikon and an 850 at this time.

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Sep 9, 2017 13:45:18   #
joer (a regular here)
 
I watched TN's video on the D850 comparison to the D810 and other brands. I have no interests in the other brands even if they were significantly better than D850 since I'm not about change systems. Yes some may have features that are slightly better but overall Tony thinks the Nikon is the best. Its his opinion but that's all we have at this point.

As far as IQ goes, he couldn't see any difference in noise and DR compared to the D810. That is a significant accomplishment since it has 20% more pixels, which gives it higher resolution ( sharper images, larger prints and crops)... Kudos to Nikon even though some may be disappointed. The big advantage is all the other features that were improved or added and why it may be worth up grading from the D810.

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Sep 9, 2017 14:15:11   #
Dan De Lion
 
joer wrote:
I'd like to hear some opinions on this.

If the resources were available and you presently owned the D810 and D500 would you sell one or both and buy the D850?


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The 850 easily replaces the functionalities of both the 810 and 500. Plus it has many addition features not found in the 810 or 500. It is a no brained - buy the 850 and sell the other two.

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Sep 9, 2017 14:21:54   #
Dan De Lion
 
jackpinoh wrote:
I own both the D810 & the D500. I had the D850 on preorder but cancelled it. I was disappointed in the image quality improvements the D850 provides--no significant improvements. As far as the increased resolution of the D850 goes, I also have an A7R2. It's image quality pretty much matches that of the D850. And based on the capabilities of the Sony A9, I believe the next high resolution camera Sony releases-probably within a year-will suppass the D850 in every way. So last night I photographer all of my Nikon cameras and lenses and they will be for sale on eBay on Sunday.
I own both the D810 & the D500. I had the D850... (show quote)


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How much better do you think your pics will be after the switch from Nikon to Sony?

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Sep 9, 2017 15:21:41   #
Hbuk66
 
I would keep them all...and when anyone asked what camera(s) I used I'd say a Nikon D1660 and a D500

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Sep 9, 2017 15:47:17   #
jackpinoh
 
Dan De Lion wrote:
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How much better do you think your pics will be after the switch from Nikon to Sony?

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I've been shooting with the D810, D500, and the A7R2, and recently the Fuji X-T2. Each camera has its strengths and weaknesses. My pictures aren't better or worse as a function of the camera I use. For example: The D810 has better dynamic and color range at base ISO, but you have to look very hard at the images to see a very small difference. I prefer full frame for landscapes and crop sensor cameras for everything else. But I find that I am more efficient with mirrorless cameras because of the data and image I see in the EVF before I shoot and not having to plan around vibrations from the front curtain shutter and the mirror. So my migration from DSLRs to mirrorless cameras has less to do with image quality and more to do with operational efficiency.

I held out until the D850 was released to see if it was significantly better than the D810 or the A7R2. Had it been, I might have sold the D810 and D500 and bought the D850. Now I realize that would have been stupid. Improving my skills through education and practice, in composition, lighting and post processing) will certainly result in bigger improvements in my pictures than a new camera.

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Sep 9, 2017 18:03:12   #
cjc2 (a regular here)
 
I own a D5, D500 and D810. I just upgraded my D810 to a D850, primarily because the D850 will be much more useful for the major part of my work, sports action. In addition, the controls, customizations and features on the D850 are much more in line with the other two cameras I use pretty much everyday. I have my D850 and have started setting the options that I want and plan to test it this next week, but I am also waiting for the battery grip which, to my knowledge, is not yet available. So far, which is only a very small distance, I am happy with my choice. Best of luck to all who are waiting.

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Sep 9, 2017 18:04:48   #
jccash
 
What will you do with your D810?

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Sep 9, 2017 18:06:20   #
Jim Bob (suspended)
 
joer wrote:
I'd like to hear some opinions on this.

If the resources were available and you presently owned the D810 and D500 would you sell one or both and buy the D850?


I would wait for some real world reviews before making that decision.

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