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Jun 2, 2017 20:34:23   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
For all those people who are in favor of the Paris Accords--Can you please tell me- What is so terrific about the tenets of the agreement?

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Jun 2, 2017 20:56:08   #
ken hubert Loc: Missouri
 
This should be good!

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Jun 2, 2017 21:05:51   #
lightcatcher Loc: Farmington, NM (4 corners)
 
ken hubert wrote:
This should be good!


I agree. I hope not wishful thinking.

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Jun 2, 2017 21:17:52   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
boberic wrote:
For all those people who are in favor of the Paris Accords--Can you please tell me- What is so terrific about the tenets of the agreement?


It's mostly symbolic, but that can be important. The US pushed it. We got every country in the world except Syria and Nicaragua to sign on to it. We got China and India to agree that they too needed to cut back. It's primarily a starting point. It has been very hard to get them agree to anything as although both countries produce a lot of carbon, on a per ca-pita basis China produces about half as much as us and India produces just a fraction of that. It is non binding. What Trump did change things very little if at all. What Trump did was basically flip off the French Prime Minister for having bested him in a hand shake.

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Jun 2, 2017 21:26:40   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
thom w wrote:
It's mostly symbolic, but that can be important. The US pushed it. We got every country in the world except Syria and Nicaragua to sign on to it. We got China and India to agree that they too needed to cut back. It's primarily a starting point. It has been very hard to get them agree to anything as although both countries produce a lot of carbon, on a per ca-pita basis China produces about half as much as us and India produces just a fraction of that. It is non binding. What Trump did change things very little if at all. What Trump did was basically flip off the French Prime Minister for having bested him in a hand shake.
It's mostly symbolic, but that can be important. T... (show quote)


The paris accord was "pushed by the United Nations " not by the US. Although the US is a member of the security council it is vastly outnumbered by the other members

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Jun 2, 2017 22:11:14   #
EyeSawYou
 
thom w wrote:
It's mostly symbolic, but that can be important. The US pushed it. We got every country in the world except Syria and Nicaragua to sign on to it. We got China and India to agree that they too needed to cut back. It's primarily a starting point. It has been very hard to get them agree to anything as although both countries produce a lot of carbon, on a per ca-pita basis China produces about half as much as us and India produces just a fraction of that. It is non binding. What Trump did change things very little if at all. What Trump did was basically flip off the French Prime Minister for having bested him in a hand shake.
It's mostly symbolic, but that can be important. T... (show quote)


If the pull out was just symbolic, then I guess the whole Paris Accord was just pure BS symbolic as well. The other interesting question is that IF this pull out was in fact just symbolic, why are the Libtards responding like unhinged lunatics as if it weren't symbolic?

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Jun 2, 2017 22:24:41   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
so far ,at least, no one has answered my original question.

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Jun 2, 2017 23:02:50   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
boberic wrote:
For all those people who are in favor of the Paris Accords--Can you please tell me- What is so terrific about the tenets of the agreement?


How about fewer wildfires, less severe storm, saving Florida and other coastal cities--just compute this...how about saving life on the planer, including ours?

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Jun 2, 2017 23:04:54   #
ken hubert Loc: Missouri
 
Twardlow wrote:
How about fewer wildfires, less severe storm, saving Florida and other coastal cities--just compute this...how about saving life on the planer, including ours?


You aren't worth saving!

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Jun 2, 2017 23:05:09   #
ken hubert Loc: Missouri
 
boberic wrote:
so far ,at least, no one has answered my original question.


They cant!

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Jun 2, 2017 23:17:15   #
Jackel Loc: California
 
Twardlow - None of the things you've mentioned have anything to do with "g****l w*****g."

The attachment argues conclusively against any "man made g****l w*****g."

Attached file:
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Jun 2, 2017 23:17:44   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Twardlow wrote:
How about fewer wildfires, less severe storm, saving Florida and other coastal cities--just compute this...how about saving life on the planer, including ours?


None of these are any parts of the agreement.

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Jun 2, 2017 23:35:35   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Jackel wrote:
Twardlow - None of the things you've mentioned have anything to do with "g****l w*****g."

The attachment argues conclusively against any "man made g****l w*****g."


You are incorrect.

This morning I posted this from theNew York Times.

Ignore it at your own risk.

It's too important an issue for silliness.

"Science first. Since the early 1800s we’ve been slowly but surely figuring out the mystery of how our climate operates — why our planet is warmer than it should be, given its distance from the sun. From Fourier to Foote and Tyndall, from Arrhenius to Revelle and Suess and Keeling, researchers have worked out the role that carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases play in regulating temperature. By the 1980s, as supercomputers let us model the climate with ever greater power, we came to understand our possible fate. Those big brains, just in time, gave us the warning we required.

And now, in this millennium, we’ve watched the warning start to play out. We’ve seen 2014 set a new global temperature record, which was smashed in 2015 and smashed again in 2016. We’ve watched Arctic sea ice vanish at a record pace and measured the early disintegration of Antarctica’s great ice sheets. We’ve been able to record alarming increases in drought and flood and wildfire, and we’ve been able to link them directly to the greenhouse gases we’ve poured into the atmosphere. This is the largest-scale example in the planet’s history of the scientific method in operation, the continuing dialectic between hypothesis and skepticism that arrived eventually at a strong consensus about the most critical aspects of our planet’s maintenance. Rational people the world around understand. As Bloomberg Businessweek blazoned across its cover the week after Hurricane Sandy smashed into Wall Street, “It’s G****l W*****g, Stupid.”

But now President Trump (and 22 Republican senators who wrote a letter asking him to take the step) is betting that all of that is wrong. Mr. Trump famously called g****l w*****g a h**x during the campaign, and with this decision he’s wagering that he was actually right — he’s calling his own bluff. No line of argument in the physical world supports his claim, and no credible authority backs him, not here and not abroad. It’s telling that he simultaneously wants to cut the funding for the satellites and ocean buoys that monitor our degrading climate. Every piece of data they collect makes clear his foolishness. He’s simply insisting that physics isn’t real."

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Jun 2, 2017 23:40:16   #
user47602 Loc: ip 304.0.0.33.32
 
A year and a half ago, the world came together in Paris around the first-ever global agreement to set the world on a low-carbon course and protect the world we leave to our children.

It was steady, principled American leadership on the world stage that made that achievement possible. It was bold American ambition that encouraged dozens of other nations to set their sights higher as well. And what made that leadership and ambition possible was America’s private innovation and public investment in growing industries like wind and solar – industries that created some of the fastest new streams of good-paying jobs in recent years, and contributed to the longest streak of job creation in our history.

Simply put, the private sector already chose a low-carbon future. And for the nations that committed themselves to that future, the Paris Agreement opened the floodgates for businesses, scientists, and engineers to unleash high-tech, low-carbon investment and innovation on an unprecedented scale.

The nations that remain in the Paris Agreement will be the nations that reap the benefits in jobs and industries created. I believe the United States of America should be at the front of the pack. But even in the absence of American leadership; even as this Administration joins a small handful of nations that reject the future; I’m confident that our states, cities, and businesses will step up and do even more to lead the way, and help protect for future generations the one planet we’ve got.

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Jun 2, 2017 23:51:47   #
ken hubert Loc: Missouri
 
user47602 wrote:
A year and a half ago, the world came together in Paris around the first-ever global agreement to set the world on a low-carbon course and protect the world we leave to our children.

It was steady, principled American leadership on the world stage that made that achievement possible. It was bold American ambition that encouraged dozens of other nations to set their sights higher as well. And what made that leadership and ambition possible was America’s private innovation and public investment in growing industries like wind and solar – industries that created some of the fastest new streams of good-paying jobs in recent years, and contributed to the longest streak of job creation in our history.

Simply put, the private sector already chose a low-carbon future. And for the nations that committed themselves to that future, the Paris Agreement opened the floodgates for businesses, scientists, and engineers to unleash high-tech, low-carbon investment and innovation on an unprecedented scale.

The nations that remain in the Paris Agreement will be the nations that reap the benefits in jobs and industries created. I believe the United States of America should be at the front of the pack. But even in the absence of American leadership; even as this Administration joins a small handful of nations that reject the future; I’m confident that our states, cities, and businesses will step up and do even more to lead the way, and help protect for future generations the one planet we’ve got.
A year and a half ago, the world came together in ... (show quote)


If you actually believe that garbage, I have a bridge to sell you. Wish I had the time to school you
Do yourself a favor and look at that agreement
It favors China, India and Russia at our expense. DON'T bother to reply until you have read it.

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