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May 19, 2017 14:58:07   #
BlackRipleyDog
 
selmslie wrote:
The subject keeps coming up because people like to talk about it and show everyone how great they are at post processing.

Anybody who has experience with raw and JPEG straight from the camera knows the difference and the advantage of developing from raw on the computer.

As someone who just showed up here three days ago, you may not be aware of how much this dead horse has been beaten into the ground - half way to China. The same arguments over and over again ad nauseam.

The reason via the lens started this topic was to smoke out some other ideas about what makes a good image besides raw or JPEG processing.

Aren't there some other qualities we can talk about for a change?
The subject keeps coming up because people like to... (show quote)


It is not that some of us are showing off how great we are at post processing but it is how great post-processing is and you to can do it as well.

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May 19, 2017 15:03:04   #
Rich Maher Loc: Sonoma County, CA
 
I'm with Jim Bob. Who cares if the brown truck arrived.

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May 19, 2017 15:05:08   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
BlackRipleyDog wrote:
True, but what I said was about time spent and Adams spent gobs of hours on each print. And as a result of that, that is why we remember him today.


Sorry - that was just my feeble attempt at humor. Just trying to counter all the vitriol that seems to arise whenever a subject of any importance is being debated.

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May 19, 2017 15:05:50   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
Rich Maher wrote:
I'm with Jim Bob. Who cares if the brown truck arrived.


Then get off the post and go do something else, your input is not needed if you are not interested. Start your own thread about something you are interested in. I'm on a photography forum site and I'm going to talk about photography, not something else.

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May 19, 2017 15:08:33   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
via the lens wrote:
Then get off the post and go do something else, your input is not needed if you are not interested. Start your own thread about something you are interested in. I'm on a photography forum site and I'm going to talk about photography, not something else.


Funny - the original post wasn't even about the brown truck. Jim Bob is the one that raised that subject.

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May 19, 2017 15:10:24   #
BlackRipleyDog
 
leftj wrote:
Sorry - that was just my feeble attempt at humor. Just trying to counter all the vitriol that seems to arise whenever a subject of any importance is being debated.


Pax?

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May 19, 2017 15:16:10   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
leftj wrote:
Funny - the original post wasn't even about the brown truck. Jim Bob is the one that raised that subject.


...head slap...head slap...head slap....on jim bob and others....

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May 19, 2017 17:09:50   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
uh o..."compost" should have been compose, I think spell check sucks. Or, maybe "compost" does apply.

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May 19, 2017 17:31:29   #
mrpentaxk5ii
 
The JPEG taken from the camera, was any thing else done to the file, if not there should be.

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May 19, 2017 17:56:56   #
Waltm Loc: Fredericksburg, VA
 
My opinion is worth little to nothing to all of you pros and big time amateurs, but when the differences between Raw and JPEG become intellectual exercises the product loses out to mechanics. Becoming a professional piano tuner, capable of adjusting a Steinway does not enable one to engage an audience at Carnegie Hall. Impact on a viewer's response should be the criterion on which one bases a work.

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May 19, 2017 18:00:56   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
Waltm wrote:
My opinion is worth little to nothing to all of you pros and big time amateurs, but when the differences between Raw and JPEG become intellectual exercises the product loses out to mechanics. Becoming a professional piano tuner, capable of adjusting a Steinway does not enable one to engage an audience at Carnegie Hall. Impact on a viewer's response should be the criterion on which one bases a work.


But that piano tuner can sure make the audience hear sour notes at Carnegie Hall.

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May 19, 2017 18:03:51   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
mrpentaxk5ii wrote:
The JPEG taken from the camera, was any thing else done to the file, if not there should be.


No, it was straight out of the camera to show how the machine processed the image rather a human processing the image: I agree with you that it needed additional processing to improve it.

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May 19, 2017 18:26:57   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
So, posting a couple of JPEG photos. I was looking through my files and ran across a Yosemite photo that was taken in JPEG, as I started out taking photos in JPEG. I wanted to show that processing a JPEG can improve the image, rather than just leaving it entirely to the machine, the camera. I could not do more with the sky, however, since the file was a 10 MB JPEG file and I could not "push" the sky at all without artifacts, even though it was not blown out on the histogram: I did lower the HL and that helped out a bit with the sky and curves worked wonders on the image overall and the image handled it well. Processing a photo is a learning experience, I am still learning and when I go back to a photo that I processed I sometimes ask myself, "why did I do that," so it's never ending. Anyone, with effort, can learn to process a photo and improve it.

I've included the histograms for those who like that visual data. The JPEG was not blown out since it was a fairly dark day so that worked out well when processing it and the image was about the drama in Yosemite.

histogram on JPEG original
histogram on JPEG original...

histogram on JPEG originalg
histogram on JPEG originalg...

Original photo - JPEG
Original photo - JPEG...

JPEG Photo processed to my view of the image
JPEG Photo processed to my view of the image...

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May 20, 2017 03:49:45   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
rmalarz wrote:
I don't know that you're going to find new territory. This will continue to be a 'beat to death' subject here, and elsewhere.

You provided an excellent example of the reason there is a photographer involved in photography. As Ansel Adams said, "There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs". It also amazes me how many on this site have to post the camera, lens, and settings used to take a photograph. These are inconsequential. It's the final image that counts, regardless of what you used to take it.

I personally prefer to make a photograph. Therefore, I'll capture the initial image in RAW. There is far more data from which to work.
--Bob
I don't know that you're going to find new territo... (show quote)


Some of the students taking classes from Ansel Adams would ask him for the data which he took a certain photograph and he would rattle off the f-stop and shutter speed. One of his assistants from Ansel's studio was amazed at Ansel's memory of the shots and asked how he went about memorizing it all. Ansel answered back that he had no idea if that was the right information but gave an answer that seemed reasonable to get past the question.

If it wasn't that important to Ansel Adams, maybe it shouldn't be that important to us.

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May 20, 2017 07:15:05   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
wdross wrote:
Some of the students taking classes from Ansel Adams would ask him for the data which he took a certain photograph and he would rattle off the f-stop and shutter speed. One of his assistants from Ansel's studio was amazed at Ansel's memory of the shots and asked how he went about memorizing it all. Ansel answered back that he had no idea if that was the right information but gave an answer that seemed reasonable to get past the question.

If it wasn't that important to Ansel Adams, maybe it shouldn't be that important to us.
Some of the students taking classes from Ansel Ada... (show quote)


cute story but purely anecdotal.

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