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May 15, 2017 09:50:40   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
A rule of thumb is shutter speed = 2 X 1/focal length to be safe. This requires a high ISO. I use Auto ISO in these situations. If you're still getting under exposed you can fix some of that by shooting RAW and then do post processing. Be prepared to be fighting noise.

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May 15, 2017 09:51:16   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
You did not use the minimum shutter speed needed to stop motion. In this particular case if you were using 300mm your shutter speed should have been 1/300sec or faster.
Pictures like those you were taking benefit from using a higher ISO. Perhaps ISO 800 was all you needed. Vibration Reduction is of great help also.

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May 15, 2017 10:14:39   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
tarsen wrote:
I attended a college graduation last Friday. This was at the hockey arena at the University of Minnesota and we sat about 1/2 way up in the stands. I would guess about 400 ft. to the stage. I used my new Rebel T6I with my Tamron 70 to 200 lense (set to max = 300 mm for APC). Most of the pictures were taken at 160 sec at 2.8. I see camera shake in everyone.
Is/was there anything I could have done to reduce that? I don't think even a monopod would have helped.


Upped the ISO till you got shutter speed of 1/300. And use your camera's vibration reduction. Lastly a tripod or monopod if no tripods.

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May 15, 2017 10:25:21   #
steinr98
 
If you can opt to send the lens back and get the stabilization version DO IT! Shooting at 6400 ISO will give you all kinds of noise in a dark area. If you cannot return the lens( most stores will give you 30 days) then follow the advice above!!

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May 15, 2017 10:28:51   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
As above a little noise is a lot better than a fuzzy shot. As a result of hand tremor, I shoot (Most of the time) in shutter priority and juice up the ISO to 1,000 to allow for a fster shutter speed. Support of any kind will help. Just look at the sideline of pro sporting events and you will see a lot of monopods.

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May 15, 2017 10:34:18   #
bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.
 
your shutter speed was way too slow. should have been between 200 and 300 at least.

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May 15, 2017 10:43:15   #
Djedi
 
OK folks. Under the heading of "Put your photo where your mouth is..." :

Here is a shot I took April 30th of a local concert. Standing in the back of the auditorium with an APS-C camera (D7200) and an AF-P Nikkor 70-300mm lens.
Shooting at 1/30th (!!), 220mm fl (330mm equv.), f5.6 (wide open) ISO 1600, with VR "ON", but AF obviously dead on. Processed in lightroom with the highlights slider pulled down to minimum and the shadows "pushed" about 60% from maximum. Without processing, the blonde girl's faces were nearly washed out and the dark pants had almost no detail.

Out of about 50 photos, maybe 2 or 3 looked like the OP's where the camera got the focus wrong due to (guessing) the far too contrasty lighting.


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May 15, 2017 11:35:55   #
Dutzie Loc: I'd like to know
 
Camera shake? I'm not convinced.

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May 15, 2017 11:47:17   #
DI Seller Loc: Knoxville, TN
 
I have not used a Tamron lens. Did it have a VR system on it. If it does, did you remember to turn it on?

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May 15, 2017 11:56:43   #
Reinaldokool Loc: San Rafael, CA
 
tarsen wrote:
I attended a college graduation last Friday. This was at the hockey arena at the University of Minnesota and we sat about 1/2 way up in the stands. I would guess about 400 ft. to the stage. I used my new Rebel T6I with my Tamron 70 to 200 lense (set to max = 300 mm for APC). Most of the pictures were taken at 160 sec at 2.8. I see camera shake in everyone.
Is/was there anything I could have done to reduce that? I don't think even a monopod would have helped.


I don't know enough of the Canon line, but it wouldn't be different no matter the brand. You need at least a 1/200 shutter speed and probably a 1/500 would be a better minimum. Fortunately my Sony a6300 will let me shoot at ISO 6400 with little or no discernable noise and 12,800 with minimal noise with an image like those. Even if you are perfectly steady, on a tripod, etc., the movement of the subjects will be sufficient to be problematic.

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May 15, 2017 12:20:25   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
NoSocks wrote:
Super sharp. Nice and crisp.


The stabilization on that lens rocks. Cats are easy, especially ferals - because they freeze when you get eye contact. I was just lucky to have the camera locked and loaded when I came home and saw the opportunity. So much for rules of thumb and other notions that don't always apply.

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May 15, 2017 12:43:43   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
The 1/the focal length adjusted for crop factor gives you the minimum shutter speed. I suggest using a higher ISOs and turning on VR or IS if you have it on your equipment.

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May 15, 2017 12:47:42   #
Jdh1951 Loc: Los Angeles
 
Don't underestimate the value of stabilization. With good technique you can shoot at very slow shutter speeds. Here is an image taken with a 600mm lens on a full frame camera at 1/25 second.[/quote]

Wow! What camera and what lens?

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May 15, 2017 12:49:40   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
tarsen wrote:
I attended a college graduation last Friday. This was at the hockey arena at the University of Minnesota and we sat about 1/2 way up in the stands. I would guess about 400 ft. to the stage. I used my new Rebel T6I with my Tamron 70 to 200 lense (set to max = 300 mm for APC). Most of the pictures were taken at 160 sec at 2.8. I see camera shake in everyone.
Is/was there anything I could have done to reduce that? I don't think even a monopod would have helped.


Thomas, I looked at your image again and found out some things that might interest you.

You locked focus with a peripheral focus sensor on the second from the right's head. Not sure if that was your intent. But it does look like you also had a 30 pixel(or more) movement, from bottom left to top right -or vice versa. This is beyond the range of adjustment possible with most blur reduction tools. The softness seems like it could be a combination of a both.

ISO 3200 seems to be too high for this camera. Both luminance and color noise are high, and it is robbing fine detail as well.

The lens performs well at 200mm wide open, so unless there is a focus issue I'd say the problems are related to not using VC and too high an ISO, and possibly not shooting raw, which may have helped a little. A full frame camera would also have provided significantly better noise performance, and better overall image quality.


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May 15, 2017 12:49:40   #
Djedi
 
Gene51 wrote:
The stabilization on that lens rocks. Cats are easy, especially ferals - because they freeze when you get eye contact. I was just lucky to have the camera locked and loaded when I came home and saw the opportunity. So much for rules of thumb and other notions that don't always apply.


Yes, it does. Even though the D7200 is not supposed to support the AF-P lens, it seems to work just fine. Only bought it to save weight for a trip to Japan. Will be doing lots of walking, so didn't want to carry my Tamron 70-300 VC (twice the weight!).
BTW, the shot was taken with hands held over my head in live view! All 4 I took were OK, but faces were nearly perfect on this, the sharpest one!
An old farmer friend of mine always used to say-- "It's better to be lucky than smart!"

Also, my fuzzy-pawed monsters just seem to sigh, get up, and walk away in disdain when I start shooting.
Cheers.

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