Sony A6000 Catasrophe
Mar 21, 2017 14:22:16 #
CHOLLY wrote:
Peek, that guy kymarto is a PROFESSIONAL Sony hater. All he ever does is bash Sony stuff. He has ZERO credibility when it comes to this subject. 
Peterff wrote:
That may be true, but he has lots of credibility in most areas, and you are a Sony fan boy. Which position is more valid than the other?
I dare say you're right Cholly and I guess I shouldn't have risen to the bait but I find it hard when people having little appreciation of the subject, sound off.
I guess you'd have to classify me as a Sony Fanboy as well; when Sony took over the fag end of Minolta, rescued the A-Mount and gave all my gear a new lease of life, I became Sony's biggest fan. That doesn't stop me from recognising their mistakes and castigating them for it but in general, I reckon they are doing a good job in a difficult market.
Mar 21, 2017 14:23:17 #
Peterff wrote:
Yes and last I heard Sony had over 70% of world sales in Sensors; it's probably more now and probably not a healthy situation. Even if Sony make the best Sensors it's essential to have healthy competition. All good points, but Nikon and others use Sony sensors don't they? So do these observations apply to many camera brands?
Just trying to ferret out a bit more understanding!
Just trying to ferret out a bit more understanding!
Brasspounder001 wrote:
Not sure from where you derive that information other than that Sony is definitely a LARGE Consumer Electronics Company. If you say not large in DSLR cameras, I'd agree but everywhere else it's far from the case. CaNikon are suffering badly in the current climate whereas Sony's grip on the Mirrorless market continues to strengthen; beats me why CaNikon have totally failed to put in a strong contender..... Sony is not, nor has ever been, a camera manufacturer. It is a large consumer electronics company.....!
Mar 21, 2017 14:28:17 #
Brasspounder001 wrote:
That's actually a valid point. Sony is not, nor has ever been, a camera manufacturer. It is a large consumer electronics company. My opinion. And a big thank you for not using an apostrophe in the plural of Sony - Sonys!
Regardless of what you call Sony, in my experience the A7RII is the best camera I have ever owned (and that includes Exacta, Canon Pelix, F1, A1, Minolta SRT 1, half a dozen EOS digitals...just haven't had the means to try Leica.) I consider the Sony RX10 first version the most amazing value in a non interchangeable lens camera. Unfortunately the demise of my A6000 has just taught me not to fool with updates on these cameras...I'll let a camera shop do that for me in the future.
Mar 21, 2017 14:32:03 #
Peekayoh wrote:
Not sure from where you derive that information other than that Sony is definitely a LARGE Consumer Electronics Company. If you say not large in DSLR cameras, I'd agree but everywhere else it's far from the case. CaNikon are suffering badly in the current climate whereas Sony's grip on the Mirrorless market continues to strengthen; beats me why CaNikon have totally failed to put in a strong contender.
It may beat you, but Canon is getting there, albeit slowly. Haven't seen it from Nikon yet. Neither Canon nor Nikon are actually suffering badly, and Sony isn't that hot either. This is the nature of technology companies, and it is a tumultuous business environment. Take Samsung as an example.
We can be sure that things will change, but which way we have yet to see.
Mar 21, 2017 16:21:05 #
Brasspounder001 wrote:
Sony is not, nor has ever been, a camera manufacturer. It is a large consumer electronics company.
In terms of numbers of photographs taken, the biggest camera manufacturers are Apple and Samsung. All digital cameras are consumer electronic devices. Sony understands that. Canon and Nikon are living off of nostalgia and their film heritage.
Mar 21, 2017 16:24:24 #
repleo wrote:
In terms of numbers of photographs taken, the biggest camera manufacturers are Apple and Samsung. All digital cameras are consumer electronic devices. Sony understands that. Canon and Nikon are living off of nostalgia and their film heritage.
Actually no. They are targeting different markets. Sony and Samsung both have problems. As does Apple even. Define consumer....
Mar 21, 2017 17:52:37 #
My suggestion would be, ask the folks that you buy your camera from to update to the latest firmware. Then if it goes badly it's their brick.
Jim
Jim
Mar 21, 2017 17:58:05 #
mas24
Loc: Southern CA
[quote=tinplater]
Sorry to hear that you can't un-brick your a6000. I know of someone who took that same camera, along with the 16-50mm and 55-210mm lenses to a European vacation. It worked flawlessly, and IQ was very good. Try again with a fully charged battery. And perhaps another computer with a Windows 10 OS. Good luck.
repleo wrote:
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Sorry to hear that you can't un-brick your a6000. I know of someone who took that same camera, along with the 16-50mm and 55-210mm lenses to a European vacation. It worked flawlessly, and IQ was very good. Try again with a fully charged battery. And perhaps another computer with a Windows 10 OS. Good luck.
Mar 21, 2017 19:56:58 #
Brasspounder001 wrote:
That's actually a valid point. Sony is not, nor has ever been, a camera manufacturer. It is a large consumer electronics company. My opinion. And a big thank you for not using an apostrophe in the plural of Sony - Sonys!
However Sony is by far the largest manufacturer of professional broadcast cameras, and has been for decades. Their Betacam format was THE defacto standard for years, and their present XDcam format is widely used in a market in which there are numerous formats. Unlike their consumer electronics division, their broadcast division creates solid cameras known for their usability and reliability.
Mar 21, 2017 19:58:47 #
repleo wrote:
In terms of numbers of photographs taken, the biggest camera manufacturers are Apple and Samsung. All digital cameras are consumer electronic devices. Sony understands that. Canon and Nikon are living off of nostalgia and their film heritage.
LOL, that's like saying that Michelin star restaurants are living off of nostalgia because McDonalds serves more meals to more people.
In addition it should be noted that Sony is in more financial trouble than Nikon or Canon. Latest figures give Sony a 44% probability of bankruptcy, with Nikon at 30% and Canon at 14%.
Mar 21, 2017 21:12:50 #
kymarto wrote:
In addition it should be noted that Sony is in more financial trouble than Nikon or Canon. Latest figures give Sony a 44% probability of bankruptcy, with Nikon at 30% and Canon at 14%.
In addition it should be noted that Sony is in more financial trouble than Nikon or Canon. Latest figures give Sony a 44% probability of bankruptcy, with Nikon at 30% and Canon at 14%.
So what does that prove, even if correct? Being the least likely to face bankruptcy is hardly an endorsement of product quality. Would you care to inform us of over what period of time does that 44% figure encompass? A day? A month? A year? A decade? A century?
Mar 21, 2017 23:38:32 #
tinplater wrote:
So what does that prove, even if correct? Being the least likely to face bankruptcy is hardly an endorsement of product quality. Would you care to inform us of over what period of time does that 44% figure encompass? A day? A month? A year? A decade? A century?
If you want product support for a significant period of time then bankruptcy is a serious issue. I like that 14% number for Canon personally...
The finance numbers and annual reports are all available on line.
Mar 22, 2017 07:16:06 #
kymarto wrote:
I don't know where you got your figures but the last year results for Sony belie them....... In addition it should be noted that Sony is in more financial trouble than Nikon or Canon. Latest figures give Sony a 44% probability of bankruptcy, with Nikon at 30% and Canon at 14%.
According to Reuters, "Income before taxes for the year ending March 31 came in at 304.5 billion yen ($2.81 billion), a big rise from the 39.7 billion yen recorded during the same period last year. Operating profit rose 329.2 percent to 294.2 billion yen, its largest figure since fiscal 2007." It seems like the 2017 results, although still in profit, will not make as good reading due mainly to a $962-million write-down of paper assets in the Sony Picture Division.
If Sony is facing bankruptcy, that will be a big turn around in one short year although the earthquake will certainly have put a crimp in their style. The thing with Sony is that it has fingers in a lot of pies whereas Canon is pretty much a one trick pony. Canon's main market is shrinking rapidly whereas Sony's Markets are increasing. I'd be surprised if Canon doesn't turn things around but then I was surprised at IBM, at Kodak, at ......
Mar 22, 2017 08:56:15 #
Peterff wrote:
That may be true, but he has lots of credibility in most areas, and you are a Sony fan boy.
Which position is more valid than the other?
Which position is more valid than the other?
Well... MINE.
Because self confessed fan or not, NOTHING I say about Sony or any other brand is untrue or motivated by spite.
Meanwhile, as pointed out earlier, when it comes to anything Sony, kymarto has ZERO credibility... regardless of his expertise of any other subject.
Mar 22, 2017 09:02:20 #
repleo wrote:
In terms of numbers of photographs taken, the biggest camera manufacturers are Apple and Samsung. All digital cameras are consumer electronic devices. Sony understands that. Canon and Nikon are living off of nostalgia and their film heritage.
Yep.
And Apple buys their imaging sensors from Sony.
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