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Mar 1, 2017 07:30:54   #
danielb59 Loc: The South
 
Just purchased a new desktop PC and had to uninstall LR on the old PC and reinstall on the new PC. Transferred and redid my catalogs as per the older PC. All was good. Then...as I was importing some new shots into LR (both RAW and JPEG duplicates of the same shots) I noticed that as I viewed the images on the SD card prior to importing, the JPG's did not show, almost as if they were not present. After the import, however, all is again good and the JPG's showed up in the proper locations alongside the RAW shots. I've rechecked my settings but cannot decipher what I may have overlooked. This is not an earth shaking issue since the end result was acceptable, but I would like to know the solution. thanks in advance for any suggestions.
Dan

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Mar 1, 2017 07:49:50   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
This is new to me but the bigger question is why shoot both jpg and raw. This is an operating system issue unrelated to LR. Are you sure you are looking at the right folder? Check the folder properties to make sure the files are not hidden.

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Mar 1, 2017 08:01:54   #
John Howard Loc: SW Florida and Blue Ridge Mountains of NC.
 
I shot raw and jpg for a while, a while ago. I found it worked best to add a step in the import process. I kept an empty transfer folder on my desktop. I then moved the files from the camera card to this file. In that folder I sorted the view by file type. I could then move / import the images separately by file type. I would then have two folders for each shoot subject.

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Mar 1, 2017 09:01:32   #
big-guy Loc: Peterborough Ontario Canada
 
You didn't answer "why" you shoot both. To me and so many others, this is a total waste of your shooting time, card and HD space, camera processing time and your post processing time.

If you just wanted quick access to a jpg to send to FB etc. (LR does this for you from RAW to JPG automatically) or to send via email to a friend or client from outside LR I submit that you can export a RAW to properly sized JPG faster from LR and right into an email, just add the address, notes and hit send.

Please don't answer with, "...but I've always done it this way." It might be time to rethink the workflow. Just my 2¢ worth.

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Mar 1, 2017 09:15:02   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
big-guy wrote:
You didn't answer "why" you shoot both. To me and so many others, this is a total waste of your shooting time, card and HD space, camera processing time and your post processing time.

If you just wanted quick access to a jpg to send to FB etc. (LR does this for you from RAW to JPG automatically) or to send via email to a friend or client from outside LR I submit that you can export a RAW to properly sized JPG faster from LR and right into an email, just add the address, notes and hit send.

Please don't answer with, "...but I've always done it this way." It might be time to rethink the workflow. Just my 2¢ worth.
You didn't answer "why" you shoot both. ... (show quote)


I asked the same question. I agree with you. The only time I shoot both is when I travel. I will not lug around a laptop and take time sitting in a hotel room working on LR rather than out taking pictures. I still want something to send back to people so I send out the unedited jpgs and wait until I get back home to work on the raws. Works for me.

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Mar 1, 2017 09:46:01   #
John Howard Loc: SW Florida and Blue Ridge Mountains of NC.
 
big-guy wrote:
You didn't answer "why" you shoot both. To me and so many others, this is a total waste of your shooting time, card and HD space, camera processing time and your post processing time.

If you just wanted quick access to a jpg to send to FB etc. (LR does this for you from RAW to JPG automatically) or to send via email to a friend or client from outside LR I submit that you can export a RAW to properly sized JPG faster from LR and right into an email, just add the address, notes and hit send.

Please don't answer with, "...but I've always done it this way." It might be time to rethink the workflow. Just my 2¢ worth.
You didn't answer "why" you shoot both. ... (show quote)

I suspect you may have been asking the OP but since I said I used to shoot both I will say why. Firstly, I had a small camera that had WIFI long before I had LR. I think it was one of the first cameras with wireless capability. Just a handy P&S. I could quickly transfer to my phone and send at will. Did not necessarily save the jpgs forever. Second reason maybe more relevant. I would let the camera process the Jpg file and then compare the jpg to my raw file when processing. It was a way of seeing an improved version of the image and helped me to learn to judge and not i.e., over saturate. I think it helped me to learn PP, first with the Apple software IPhoto and Aperture. After a while I did not use them so I stopped shooting the jpgs.

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Mar 1, 2017 09:52:51   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
John Howard wrote:
I suspect you may have been asking the OP but since I said I used to shoot both I will say why. Firstly, I had a small camera that had WIFI long before I had LR. I think it was one of the first cameras with wireless capability. Just a handy P&S. I could quickly transfer to my phone and send at will. Did not necessarily save the jpgs forever. Second reason maybe more relevant. I would let the camera process the Jpg file and then compare the jpg to my raw file when processing. It was a way of seeing an improved version of the image and helped me to learn to judge and not i.e., over saturate. I think it helped me to learn PP, first with the Apple software IPhoto and Aperture. After a while I did not use them so I stopped shooting the jpgs.
I suspect you may have been asking the OP but sinc... (show quote)


Good answer. Never saw this as a learning experience.

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Mar 1, 2017 14:22:34   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
danielb59 wrote:
Just purchased a new desktop PC and had to uninstall LR on the old PC and reinstall on the new PC. Transferred and redid my catalogs as per the older PC. All was good. Then...as I was importing some new shots into LR (both RAW and JPEG duplicates of the same shots) I noticed that as I viewed the images on the SD card prior to importing, the JPG's did not show, almost as if they were not present. After the import, however, all is again good and the JPG's showed up in the proper locations alongside the RAW shots. I've rechecked my settings but cannot decipher what I may have overlooked. This is not an earth shaking issue since the end result was acceptable, but I would like to know the solution. thanks in advance for any suggestions.
Dan
Just purchased a new desktop PC and had to uninsta... (show quote)

The jpeg is there as a subset of the data in the raw file. The two images can be stacked as one in LR, depends on the settings. I did some raw+jpeg as an experiment and noticed it so I looked it up to find out what was going on.
here is a good explanation of how to handle them in LR http://laurashoe.com/2012/10/16/rawjpeg-continued-managing-rawjpeg-files-in-lightroom/

Expanded article on raw+jpeg http://laurashoe.com/2012/09/24/shooting-in-raw-jpeg-mode-lightroom/

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Mar 1, 2017 20:42:17   #
jethro779 Loc: Tucson, AZ
 
abc1234 wrote:
This is new to me but the bigger question is why shoot both jpg and raw. This is an operating system issue unrelated to LR. Are you sure you are looking at the right folder? Check the folder properties to make sure the files are not hidden.


I shoot both for the same reason I rebuild my own engines. I like to.

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Mar 2, 2017 07:38:47   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
danielb59 wrote:
Just purchased a new desktop PC and had to uninstall LR on the old PC and reinstall on the new PC. Transferred and redid my catalogs as per the older PC. All was good. Then...as I was importing some new shots into LR (both RAW and JPEG duplicates of the same shots) I noticed that as I viewed the images on the SD card prior to importing, the JPG's did not show, almost as if they were not present. After the import, however, all is again good and the JPG's showed up in the proper locations alongside the RAW shots. I've rechecked my settings but cannot decipher what I may have overlooked. This is not an earth shaking issue since the end result was acceptable, but I would like to know the solution. thanks in advance for any suggestions.
Dan
Just purchased a new desktop PC and had to uninsta... (show quote)


If the final result is fine don't worry

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Mar 2, 2017 11:53:31   #
AZNikon Loc: Mesa, AZ
 
I did this in the beginning, kind of a "training wheels" thing, but after a while I dropped it. Confusion sets in when you try to figure out whether this JPG is from LR Export or out of the camera? It really complicates workflow to shoot in both RAW and JPG. You can generate a JPG any time you want one, and it will contain your improvements, not the camera's.

big-guy wrote:
You didn't answer "why" you shoot both. To me and so many others, this is a total waste of your shooting time, card and HD space, camera processing time and your post processing time.

If you just wanted quick access to a jpg to send to FB etc. (LR does this for you from RAW to JPG automatically) or to send via email to a friend or client from outside LR I submit that you can export a RAW to properly sized JPG faster from LR and right into an email, just add the address, notes and hit send.

Please don't answer with, "...but I've always done it this way." It might be time to rethink the workflow. Just my 2¢ worth.
You didn't answer "why" you shoot both. ... (show quote)

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Mar 2, 2017 12:57:53   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
I have used LR for many years. Before I really got into LR I used to shoot jpg. Then I had a problem related to settings (mea culpa) and switched to shooting raw+jpg so I could use the jpg but had the raw if I needed to edit things. Eventually I decided I needed to get everything into LR whether it needed editing or not, because then it was in the catalog. At that point I just started shooting raw only because there was no point keeping the jpg because I could just make a jpg from the raw file using LR.

Later I came to realize that although I can make whatever jpgs I need from the raw file in LR, the jpgs I get are due to either my editing in LR or the default preset in LR. If I were shooting raw+jpg I would have a jpg which was produced by the camera settings, not the LR preset or the result of my random slider transmogrifications.

I'm just pointing this out. I have not changed my workflow, and I still shoot raw only. I don't consider it important to me that the camera can generate a reasonable interpretation of the raw data based on the camera settings. The reason it's not important to me is that I don't fiddle with the camera settings to optimize the result. I do that all in post. I don't have time to fiddle with the camera settings in real time, so I use generic settings. With raw, it's all fungible. I can do pretty much whatever I want sitting on my rear end rather than trying to get it right in camera while the shots evaporate in front of me.

But some people swear by SOOC, and the jpg you get from the camera is just that. So if that describes you, I have no problem with you shooting raw+jpg. If the SOOC doesn't meet your expectations, you have the raw to get it right later.

PS: as far as wasting card space, cards are cheap these days. Get a larger one.

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