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exposure.. white on white
Jan 15, 2017 13:56:25   #
bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.
 
Take a look at the pic, It was a beautiful grey color snow. This is the corrected version. I corrected white balance in ACR . Its still a bit blue/grey but any lighter and the goose gets lost in the pic

I exposed for the goose and not the snow. F10 1/400,ISO 160 WB set to sun
when shooting white on white , is there a way to get both of the white colors perfect in camera?? ( snow and the goose)

I never seem to get white on white correct.



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Jan 15, 2017 14:05:18   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
bdk wrote:
Take a look at the pic, It was a beautiful grey color snow. This is the corrected version. I corrected white balance in ACR . Its still a bit blue/grey but any lighter and the goose gets lost in the pic

I exposed for the goose and not the snow. F10 1/400,ISO 160 WB set to sun
when shooting white on white , is there a way to get both of the white colors perfect in camera?? ( snow and the goose)

I never seem to get white on white correct.

Usually on w/w or b/b you use a generic exposure and avoid at all cost favoring one side or the other. Then you can burn/dodge to pull what you need.

The W/W and B/B were used upon a time to teach exposure. White shelled eggs on a white reflective surface was a test given by sadist teachers in the darkroom (French high school art class). Not only did you need to do it right in camera but also know what you were doing in the lab.

My negative exposures were good but the lab? I failed 100%!!!

Oh, if you shot this raw and are willing to share it, post it so that I can see if you are half as bad you think you are at exposing. I think you are good to go.

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Jan 15, 2017 14:20:04   #
Bushpilot Loc: Minnesota
 
It looks right to my eyes, a very natural sunlight image. so many go way overboard on the blue end.

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Jan 16, 2017 09:17:45   #
viscountdriver Loc: East Kent UK
 
It isn't bad considering the conditions.I Havn't Photoshop but in Corel Paintshop I could bring out the bird a bit.

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Jan 16, 2017 09:34:33   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
bdk wrote:
Take a look at the pic, It was a beautiful grey color snow. This is the corrected version. I corrected white balance in ACR . Its still a bit blue/grey but any lighter and the goose gets lost in the pic

I exposed for the goose and not the snow. F10 1/400,ISO 160 WB set to sun
when shooting white on white , is there a way to get both of the white colors perfect in camera?? ( snow and the goose)

I never seem to get white on white correct.

There are many shades of white. Looks to me like you captured it very well. Nice picture! In camera you are dealing with the difference between how we see, and how the camera "sees". Perhaps lots of experimentation might find a happy balance, but that goose probably won't stand there long enough!

Seems to me that you probably need to do some PP. If you use Adobe CC, you can go to PS and use layers to adjust each area of white separately. It's time-consuming, requires some pixel-level work, but it will allow you to get as close to what you envision as possible.

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Jan 16, 2017 10:25:46   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Your picture is fine. Consider the dynamic range and consider also how bad it could be to clip the highlights of the main subject.
This particular shot looks fine to me.

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Jan 16, 2017 10:47:51   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
bdk wrote:
Take a look at the pic, It was a beautiful grey color snow. This is the corrected version. I corrected white balance in ACR . Its still a bit blue/grey but any lighter and the goose gets lost in the pic

I exposed for the goose and not the snow. F10 1/400,ISO 160 WB set to sun
when shooting white on white , is there a way to get both of the white colors perfect in camera?? ( snow and the goose)

I never seem to get white on white correct.


White on white is difficult. Sounds like you had the correct approach. Shooting animals that are white is hard enough without the snow. It does look to me as if some parts of the animal are blown out. You can check this in your photo processing software. Perhaps you brought up the exposure in post? You may need to post the snow and then the animal in whatever processing program you use, instead of doing post in a general, overall way.

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Jan 16, 2017 12:39:05   #
hiker60 Loc: Northern Idaho
 
Usually quite critical of "snow type" pictures, but you've done a fine job with yours. Snow has a nice level of white (believable to the eye). If you want more "focus" on the goose, try burning in just the subject. Don't over do the changes. Good job on this photo!

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Jan 17, 2017 14:27:00   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
The usual mantra of "avoid blowing the highlights and adjust to suit in PP" would seem to apply here.

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Jan 18, 2017 05:10:23   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
bdk wrote:
Take a look at the pic, It was a beautiful grey color snow. This is the corrected version. I corrected white balance in ACR . Its still a bit blue/grey but any lighter and the goose gets lost in the pic

I exposed for the goose and not the snow. F10 1/400,ISO 160 WB set to sun
when shooting white on white , is there a way to get both of the white colors perfect in camera?? ( snow and the goose)

I never seem to get white on white correct.

The best way to expose snow is to take charge. Your camera won't do a good job if you just point it at things; a scene with lots of snow is skewed too far to one side of "average" which is what your camera always wants to do.

You have two options to make it easy on yourself:

1.) Get an incident meter and use that; perfect exposure all of the time no matter what the subject. You can buy inexpensive ones for less than $200.00 any day. Sekonic L308 is a good entry level one.

2.) Set your camera on manual and use a grey card and meter off of that in the same light you plan on shooting (in other words, don't meter in the shade and then shoot in the sun) After you meter, set your camera to whatever settings your camera wanted and leave it there.

In any case, I'd recommend you put your camera on manual and leave it while you are shooting as long as your subjects are all in the same light (i.e. no large clouds pass over and turn the day into gloom) Light doesn't change that much and it's much easier and more reliable to have all of your shots exposed the same rather than have to monkey with each one because the camera made a different decision on every shot depending on where it was pointed.

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Jan 19, 2017 17:00:34   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
bdk wrote:
Take a look at the pic, It was a beautiful grey color snow. This is the corrected version. I corrected white balance in ACR . Its still a bit blue/grey but any lighter and the goose gets lost in the pic

I exposed for the goose and not the snow. F10 1/400,ISO 160 WB set to sun
when shooting white on white , is there a way to get both of the white colors perfect in camera?? ( snow and the goose)

I never seem to get white on white correct.


It's a classic problem in exposure. It's a compromise-which do you exposure for, the snow or the bird? You can't get both perfectly exposed. You either gotta be right with the snow, or right with the bird, or wrong with both. So you just have to pick the one you like best. Maybe chnge WB when you take the shot. or meter off a grey card. (or the portable grey card--the palm of your hand). Or wait for a cloudy sky so the snow doesn't reflect the blue sky. But as it stands I like the picture

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Jan 22, 2017 08:50:49   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
boberic wrote:
It's a classic problem in exposure. It's a compromise-which do you exposure for, the snow or the bird? You can't get both perfectly exposed. You either gotta be right with the snow, or right with the bird, or wrong with both. So you just have to pick the one you like best. Maybe chnge WB when you take the shot. or meter off a grey card. (or the portable grey card--the palm of your hand). Or wait for a cloudy sky so the snow doesn't reflect the blue sky. But as it stands I like the picture


Here is my shot at it. White house, snow, blue sky. I spot metered the "grey " shadow left of the garage doors. The house is stark white, the snow has a slight blue cast. The house is the main subject, so thats what I chose to focus on. Again a compromise.


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