ETTR words
Jan 4, 2017 10:11:14 #
We have two cats. When one of my daughters is about to visit with her two cats, one-at-a-time I hold our cats on my lap and soothingly talk about being nice to other cats. Our cats purr - they like the attention - but as far as they're concerned, I might as well be saying blah-blah-blah. If I stand up and say "Food!", though, they lead me to their bowls in the kitchen.
I'm like our cats. My undergraduate study was as a math major with a physics minor. I can follow long discussions if I want to, but these days I prefer Twitter-like brevity. I find that most explanations relating to ETTR, both pro and con, here consist of long intimidating paragraphs - lots of long paragraphs per post. I have found that even if I ask a short simple question, posts which may be meant to respond typically consist of more torrents of words. If something is to be useful to me, and I'm guessing many others are like me, it needs to be expressed simply, low in word count and high in application.
I'm like our cats. My undergraduate study was as a math major with a physics minor. I can follow long discussions if I want to, but these days I prefer Twitter-like brevity. I find that most explanations relating to ETTR, both pro and con, here consist of long intimidating paragraphs - lots of long paragraphs per post. I have found that even if I ask a short simple question, posts which may be meant to respond typically consist of more torrents of words. If something is to be useful to me, and I'm guessing many others are like me, it needs to be expressed simply, low in word count and high in application.
Jan 4, 2017 10:18:07 #
rehess wrote:
We have two cats. When one of my daughters is abou... (show quote)
It has to be very complicated - so people can make money off of "explaining it" .......!
Jan 4, 2017 10:18:23 #
Jan 4, 2017 10:19:10 #
Agreed, long a**** posts bore!
Years ago we were taught to write like a newspaper, most important thought in the first sentence and short, grab the attention,
now people ramble and never answer the question,
like our politicians!!!
Rant over.
Years ago we were taught to write like a newspaper, most important thought in the first sentence and short, grab the attention,
now people ramble and never answer the question,
like our politicians!!!
Rant over.
Jan 4, 2017 10:26:28 #
rehess wrote:
We have two cats. When one of my daughters is abou... (show quote)
I agree completely. I have also noticed that the paragraphs are poorly constructed often containing more than one idea. So many of the longer posts would be more readable if the paragraphs were shorter and pointed with concise terminology.
In general, when the posts are too long I just do not look at them.
Jan 4, 2017 10:31:11 #
I totally agree. Some of the folks write long dissertations which I generally pass by on reading them. It's important to keep it short and pithy to the point.
Jan 4, 2017 10:31:55 #
bobmcculloch wrote:
Agreed, long a**** posts bore!
Years ago we were taught to write like a newspaper, most important thought in the first sentence and short, grab the attention,
now people ramble and never answer the question,
like our politicians!!!
Rant over.
Years ago we were taught to write like a newspaper, most important thought in the first sentence and short, grab the attention,
now people ramble and never answer the question,
like our politicians!!!
Rant over.
Correct....Rich
Jan 4, 2017 10:37:05 #
rehess wrote:
We have two cats. When one of my daughters is abou... (show quote)
And it took you 186 words and 985 characters (with spaces) to say that. Perhaps you should have posted a picture!
Or have used Twitter: #BrevityRules! Verbosity will be assimilated @Loquacious of Borg!
Jan 4, 2017 10:42:57 #
bobmcculloch wrote:
Agreed, long a**** posts bore!
Years ago we were taught to write like a newspaper, most important thought in the first sentence and short, grab the attention,
now people ramble and never answer the question,
like our politicians!!!
Rant over.
Years ago we were taught to write like a newspaper, most important thought in the first sentence and short, grab the attention,
now people ramble and never answer the question,
like our politicians!!!
Rant over.
"taught to write like a newspaper" With cautions to not slide into telegraphese.
Did we have the same teacher?
Jan 4, 2017 10:46:36 #
I'm sure I'm not alone in this; I have developed macular degeneration in my senior years making it difficult to read with out aid. Because of this I pass any long post no matter how interesting.
Jan 4, 2017 11:00:44 #
Jan 4, 2017 11:05:24 #
rehess wrote:
We have two cats. When one of my daughters is abou... (show quote)
Sorry, I'll apologize right up front but what is ETTR?
Jan 4, 2017 11:07:55 #
jimmya wrote:
Sorry, I'll apologize right up front but what is ETTR?
ETTR - Expose To The Right.
Magic Lantern will do it for you, if you want it!
Jan 4, 2017 12:46:42 #
Like most of you, I believe if someone can't get their point across on the back of a simple envelope, it isn't worth considering.
Jan 4, 2017 14:34:35 #
rehess wrote:
We have two cats. When one of my daughters is abou... (show quote)
What is hard to understand: Overexpose so you get all the shadow detail and then back off the highlights in PP. Be careful you don't blow out the highlights.
Like Ansel Adams' simplified explanation of the Zone System "Expose for the shadows; develop for the highlights."
Gee, ETTR and the simplified zone system look a LOT alike. Could ETTR be someone's way of making it look like they thought it up themselves and didn't just copy Ansel Adams and Fred Archer????
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