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Aug 3, 2016 09:05:53   #
Japakomom Loc: Originally from the Last Frontier
 
Jim Bob wrote:
Easy. Upgrade body.


That is what I am now thinking, thank you!

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Aug 3, 2016 09:07:50   #
Japakomom Loc: Originally from the Last Frontier
 
lukan wrote:
Although this is a true statement, the Sigma Art (nor any other lens) will better your sports shooting capabilities. For that you need fast framerate and very fast focus ability. Get the 7DMk2, then select your lens. SPEED is of the essence when action is involved.


My only worry with the 7Dii is noise with such low lighting. I guess I need to google sporting images shot with the 7Dii. Thank you for your input Lukan!

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Aug 3, 2016 09:25:38   #
TommiRulz Loc: Corpus Christi, TX
 
SharpShooter wrote:
J, GET THE BODY!! And maybe down the road get the lens as well!
The 6d is the worst sports camera ever made. I used a 5dll for sports for 5 years, they are almost the same and what a nightmare of a struggle to shoot sports!!!
For sports a good body is just WAY to import and to not have one.
Even though the Canon lens is better, a lens is pretty much a lens!
SS


This is SOOOO true!! Get the Body !!! Sell that 6D on ebay fast. I use the 7Dmii for equestrian, baseball & chasing kids... It is SOOOOOO much nicer than the 6D.

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Aug 3, 2016 09:37:16   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
For sports, replace the 6D with a 5D3 (since you can't wait for the 4, and it will be cheaper) or a 7D2. The 7D2 is faster (10fps vs 6fps) than the 5D3, and will give you more "reach" with the 70-200, which can be a bit short for outdoor sports. The 7D2 also has a nice feature for negating the inherent flicker of some indoor lighting. OTOH, If low light is the issue (as it often is here in NC, especially in HS gyms for indoor sports), the better low light/high ISO performance of the 5D3 is a real advantage, the AF is quite good, and like the 7D2, it's solidly built and weather sealed to take lots hard use in difficult conditions. And you may not notice the difference in the fps if you learn to anticipate and not "spray and pray".

Regarding the 70-200, all I can add is that the Canon 70-200L f2.8 is the industry standard - every pro shooter I see shooting sports has one in their kit, and I wouldn't let the warranty influence me - it's a solid workhorse. (Kia's have a better warranty than Mercedes, but who do you think builds the toughest car? No insult implied to Kia owners). Finally, While the IS version is nice under some conditions, you're usually shooting sports at least at 1/250 or faster, so not as important as for other types of work.

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Aug 3, 2016 10:57:03   #
PaulR01 Loc: West Texas
 
Japakomom wrote:
Maybe what I need to do is rent a 5Diii and see how it will do. Thank you for your help!

The 7Dii is actually better for sports. But I figure if you are shooting for the school you will be doing a lot of still shots and gym shots also. I just sold my 1D Mark 4 and use primarily the 5Diii with a Canon 70-200 f 2.8 IS ii and my 7Dii is attached to my Canon EF 300 f 2.8 and I carry a Tamron 24-70 f 2.8 to put on the 7Dii for sideline use and endzone shots. The 5Diii's sharpness, color and saturation in low light is better than the 7Dii. Less post process work. Our lighting in the 2A schools is horrible compared to Allen. I shot a game their several years ago and was able to shoot in the 3500 ISO range. Here in West Texas when the lights come on I am shooting any where from 6800 to 16000 ISO depending on what field I am on.

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Aug 3, 2016 11:15:20   #
PaulR01 Loc: West Texas
 
Japakomom wrote:
My only worry with the 7Dii is noise with such low lighting. I guess I need to google sporting images shot with the 7Dii. Thank you for your input Lukan!

Look thru my Flickersite I set up for the kids. It has shots with Canon 5Diii, 7Dii, 6D, T5I

https://www.flickr.com/photos/86329203@N08/

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Aug 3, 2016 12:01:42   #
BudsOwl Loc: Upstate NY and New England
 
SharpShooter wrote:
J, GET THE BODY!! And maybe down the road get the lens as well!
The 6d is the worst sports camera ever made. I used a 5dll for sports for 5 years, they are almost the same and what a nightmare of a struggle to shoot sports!!!
For sports a good body is just WAY to import and to not have one.
Even though the Canon lens is better, a lens is pretty much a lens!
SS

You might want to consider getting a 7D II. They work great for moving subjects. Lots of BIF shooters use it.

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Aug 3, 2016 13:14:29   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Consider 7dII or 1dx II. 1dx II is the flagship for sports and the leader in high ISO shooting in the Canon lineup at the moment I believe. If you can swing such a camera you may open up more opportunities to shoot and make some $$$ to help offset the cost.

Best,
Todd Ferguson
Harrisburg, NC

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Aug 3, 2016 13:48:57   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Keep the Tamron, at least any issues you may have with it will be covered under their 6 year warranty. The Canon version is almost double the price and only has a one year warranty meaning that repair at 15 months would have cost you several hundred dollars out of pocket.
But I would recommend moving to a 7D MK II body for sports.





. . . . and when you can afford one, or if your Tamron dies, buy a Canon. As someone else said, both the mrkII and the original are awesome lenses. Canons L series lenses are made for the professional and for every day use. They are heavy, but they are dependable.

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Aug 3, 2016 14:34:31   #
Bill Emmett Loc: Bow, New Hampshire
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Keep the Tamron, at least any issues you may have with it will be covered under their 6 year warranty. The Canon version is almost double the price and only has a one year warranty meaning that repair at 15 months would have cost you several hundred dollars out of pocket.
But I would recommend moving to a 7D MK II body for sports.


I fully agree with MT Shooter on this one. The Tamron lens is a good lens for focusing, and quality. The 7D Mark II is the real sports camera. It does have a learning curve, but its not impossible to learn. As far as the 5D Mark IV, there has been no one who can really project how it will do for a sports camera. The 5D Mark III would be ok, and it is coming down in price, I see it at about $2000-2400 online. But the 7D Mark II has also come down a good bit, and can be had for about $1100. If you question the logic of the 7D MII, you may want to rent one to get the feel of it, and then rent the 5D MIII to compare.

I also shoot the 6D, and it is just a good entry level full frame. It has to slow a frame rate for sports, but is a excellent landscape, still life, and sedentary object camera.

B

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Aug 3, 2016 16:56:44   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Keep the Tamron, at least any issues you may have with it will be covered under their 6 year warranty. The Canon version is almost double the price and only has a one year warranty meaning that repair at 15 months would have cost you several hundred dollars out of pocket.
But I would recommend moving to a 7D MK II body for sports.



The 7D II is a sports body. I'd wait until after this Fall's Photokina show, though, just to see what's new.

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Aug 3, 2016 18:42:14   #
TommiRulz Loc: Corpus Christi, TX
 
PaulR01 wrote:
Look thru my Flickersite I set up for the kids. It has shots with Canon 5Diii, 7Dii, 6D, T5I

https://www.flickr.com/photos/86329203@N08/


wow - after seeing your photos on your flickr I see I still have not conquered the 7Dmii learning curve! Yikes I wish I could get pics like yours. I'll keep practicing! I wish you were closer so I could follow you around for an hour.

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Aug 3, 2016 22:07:44   #
n3eg Loc: West coast USA
 
Japakomom wrote:
Can I pick your brain?


Sure, but leave my nose alone.

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Aug 3, 2016 22:25:46   #
Haydon
 
I'd keep the lens and utilize the 6 year warranty until you are in a position to move to another lens. In the meantime you need fast frame with great autofocus. I'd narrow down your choices in camera bodies. Another option would be to look for a used 1Dx which no one has recommended. It would give you superb autofocus, frame rate and high ISO capabilities with low noise. The 7DII is great but I saw you are working with challenging light which leads me to believe a full frame would essentially give you lower noise at higher ISO's. The 1D series is the pro sport photographer choice in this situation.

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Aug 4, 2016 10:28:56   #
PaulR01 Loc: West Texas
 
Japakomom wrote:
Unfortunately, Sigma does not make an Art lens for the 70-200 2.8. Thanks!

I could see my self shooting with the Sigma Art lens. We normally get rain and the humidity 3 weeks straight during September and the humidity is 80 plus during games. Sand storms during the spring. Or rain and sandstorms.

Wonder how long the Art lens would hold up? I have lost 2 mono poles shooting football in the last 3 years. One 50mm 1.8 broke during basketball. At some point during a season I will get bumped, knocked down or just flat ran over. My Canon 7Dii with the Canon 70-200 version ii could be used to defend myself. My old 1D mark iv you could use as a driver at the golf course and my EF 300 is like a boat anchor.

Sports shooting is a whole different animal. It requires fast durable lenses and hardened bodies for the ruff environment. And a camera body with a high frame per second shutter with minimal noise. I would kill for a Sigma Art lens in my arsenal but I would never get it out of my bag during a game.

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