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National Association of Chiefs of Police Gun Survey
Jul 16, 2016 19:03:23   #
cwp3420
 
While liberals call for more gun control to stop violence, three-fourths (76%) of the nation’s police chiefs and sheriffs say armed citizens actually “reduce violent criminal activity,” the 28th Annual Survey by the National Association of Chiefs of Police shows.

U.S. police departments also overwhelming “support nationwide recognition of state issued concealed weapon permits”:

Yes: 86.4%
No: 10.6%
N/A: 2.9%

Fully 87.9% say “any vetted citizen” should “be able to purchase a firearm for sport or self-defense,” while only 8.9% said “No” and 3.2% replied “N/A.”

What’s more, nearly one in five (18.0%) police departments actually help put guns in the hands of Americans by selling the firearms they confiscate.

U.S. police departments also overwhelming “support nationwide recognition of state issued concealed weapon permits”:

Yes: 86.4%
No: 10.6%
N/A: 2.9%

Meanwhile, headlines reveal how Pres. Obama has repeatedly used tragic mass murders to promote tighter gun control – as in the case of last week’s shooting in Dallas that left five police officers dead:

“Obama criticized for gun control comments during Dallas memorial speech”
“Obama’s Shameful Pivot to Gun Control After Orlando”
“Pro-gun groups slam Obama for tying gun control to terrorism in wake of San Bernardino attack”
Ironically, gun sales actually surged after Obama called for more gun control following the San Bernardino mass shooting, prompting a CNN Wire story to dub him “the greatest gun salesman in America…”

On a personal note, gun sales have gone through the roof in the wake of the shooting of the five police officers. Where I work, we started the week with 62 M4 rifles, and today we sold the last one. We have ordered an additional 100 to be sent to us, along with more handguns. Obama is a snake, but he sure sells a lot of weapons for us. We are having a banner year in gun sales, and it's pretty much because of Obama and his politics. Thanks, Barry, you son of a b***h.

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Jul 16, 2016 19:26:45   #
SBW
 
cwp3420 wrote:
While liberals call for more gun control to stop violence, three-fourths (76%) of the nation’s police chiefs and sheriffs say armed citizens actually “reduce violent criminal activity,” the 28th Annual Survey by the National Association of Chiefs of Police shows.

U.S. police departments also overwhelming “support nationwide recognition of state issued concealed weapon permits”:

Yes: 86.4%
No: 10.6%
N/A: 2.9%

Fully 87.9% say “any vetted citizen” should “be able to purchase a firearm for sport or self-defense,” while only 8.9% said “No” and 3.2% replied “N/A.”

What’s more, nearly one in five (18.0%) police departments actually help put guns in the hands of Americans by selling the firearms they confiscate.

U.S. police departments also overwhelming “support nationwide recognition of state issued concealed weapon permits”:

Yes: 86.4%
No: 10.6%
N/A: 2.9%

Meanwhile, headlines reveal how Pres. Obama has repeatedly used tragic mass murders to promote tighter gun control – as in the case of last week’s shooting in Dallas that left five police officers dead:

“Obama criticized for gun control comments during Dallas memorial speech”
“Obama’s Shameful Pivot to Gun Control After Orlando”
“Pro-gun groups slam Obama for tying gun control to terrorism in wake of San Bernardino attack”
Ironically, gun sales actually surged after Obama called for more gun control following the San Bernardino mass shooting, prompting a CNN Wire story to dub him “the greatest gun salesman in America…”

On a personal note, gun sales have gone through the roof in the wake of the shooting of the five police officers. Where I work, we started the week with 62 M4 rifles, and today we sold the last one. We have ordered an additional 100 to be sent to us, along with more handguns. Obama is a snake, but he sure sells a lot of weapons for us. We are having a banner year in gun sales, and it's pretty much because of Obama and his politics. Thanks, Barry, you son of a b***h.
While liberals call for more gun control to stop v... (show quote)




Great post on Police Officers views of armed citizens. Also nice post on what that jug eared piece of s**t has done for the gun business.

You can expect the usual suspects to attack your post with lie after lie.

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Jul 16, 2016 20:04:04   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
Your post made no reference to question # 6. The chiefs are split almost 50/50 on that one.


FIREARMS
4. Should any law-abiding citizen be able to purchase a firearm for sport or self defense? 93.2%
5. Do you support a bill that now allows retired officers to carry a concealed firearm? 97.1%
6. Will a national concealed handgun permit reduce rates of violent crime? 50.3%

http://www.aphf.org/20thsurv.pdf

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Jul 16, 2016 20:55:53   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Texcaster wrote:
Your post made no reference to question # 6. The chiefs are split almost 50/50 on that one.


FIREARMS
4. Should any law-abiding citizen be able to purchase a firearm for sport or self defense? 93.2%
5. Do you support a bill that now allows retired officers to carry a concealed firearm? 97.1%
6. Will a national concealed handgun permit reduce rates of violent crime? 50.3%

http://www.aphf.org/20thsurv.pdf


If over 80% support national recognition of state issued CCW permits but only 50.3% are positive a national CCW would reduce crime that would seem to just be "We would have to wait and see." or it could be they aren't real confident of the federal gvt issuing permits. In those states where permits are easier to obtain the crime rates have either gone down or shifted to crimes where the perp doesn't have to risk being confronted by an armed "victim". Some also believe that criminals have v**ed with their feet by moving to areas where they are less likely to run into an armed citizen.

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Jul 16, 2016 21:49:06   #
FlyingTiger Loc: Tortola, BVI
 
Texcaster wrote:
Your post made no reference to question # 6. The chiefs are split almost 50/50 on that one.


FIREARMS
4. Should any law-abiding citizen be able to purchase a firearm for sport or self defense? 93.2%
5. Do you support a bill that now allows retired officers to carry a concealed firearm? 97.1%
6. Will a national concealed handgun permit reduce rates of violent crime? 50.3%

http://www.aphf.org/20thsurv.pdf


All the answer to question six suggest is that they are not fully aware of the stats on gun ownership and concealed carry permits in fact reducing instances of violent crime. If they were aware of those statistics then there is high likelihood that the poll results would be even more positive than they are.

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Jul 16, 2016 22:53:27   #
ken hubert Loc: Missouri
 
FlyingTiger wrote:
All the answer to question six suggest is that they are not fully aware of the stats on gun ownership and concealed carry permits in fact reducing instances of violent crime. If they were aware of those statistics then there is high likelihood that the poll results would be even more positive than they are.


Facts doesn’t matter to Tex. Hell Tex is so dumb he forgot to insulate the roof on the shed he lives in. Then wonders why he is burning so much wood.

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Jul 17, 2016 06:23:13   #
Opus Loc: South East Michigan
 
robertjerl wrote:
If over 80% support national recognition of state issued CCW permits but only 50.3% are positive a national CCW would reduce crime that would seem to just be "We would have to wait and see." or it could be they aren't real confident of the federal gvt issuing permits. In those states where permits are easier to obtain the crime rates have either gone down or shifted to crimes where the perp doesn't have to risk being confronted by an armed "victim". Some also believe that criminals have v**ed with their feet by moving to areas where they are less likely to run into an armed citizen.
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The purpose is a CCW is personal protection, not preventing crime. That is the job of the police and politicians. Police are often handicapped in their efforts by the politicians. Instead of gun control we need politician control.

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Jul 17, 2016 06:39:28   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
Opus wrote:
The purpose is a CCW is personal protection, not preventing crime. That is the job of the police and politicians. Police are often handicapped in their efforts by the politicians. Instead of gun control we need politician control.


horse hokky, if you stop someone from k*****g or robbing you, you are preventing a crime. it is hoped that if you see an unarmed citizen being victimized you would come to their aid or at least the perp would fear that you would. open carry is more effective than ccw. the hardest part is getting the police use to citizens wearing their hawglegs.

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Jul 17, 2016 07:09:07   #
Opus Loc: South East Michigan
 
bull drink water wrote:
horse hokky, if you stop someone from k*****g or robbing you, you are preventing a crime. it is hoped that if you see an unarmed citizen being victimized you would come to their aid or at least the perp would fear that you would. open carry is more effective than ccw. the hardest part is getting the police use to citizens wearing their hawglegs.


I get your meaning but I think you misconstrue what I meant. I have a CPL and carry. If somebody tries to rob me and I prevent that robbery with my weapon a crime has still been committed, attempted robbery. Crime prevention is about stopping the attempted robbery from ever taking place. This can only be accomplished by addressing the underlying reasons for crime. Rampant drug addiction, lack of good paying jobs, the break down of moral standards, insufficient penalties for violent crime, a broken prison system, i could go on for hours. We both live near Detroit. Although crime is going down in the city (it's still bad) the reason it is getting better is they got a chief of police that knows how to run the department and the city government no longer runs interference for criminals in the name of civil rights.

About three years ago in Southgate a teenager with a drug problem broke into his next door neighbors home which was owned by a couple in their 90s. Even though the owner had a gun and told the kid to stop it didn't work and he had to shoot him. In Trenton a teenager attacked a police officer with a lawn mower blade last summer. He was shot and k**led. Drugs make people crazy and stupid and open carry will not solve that problem.

Got to stop writing now, time for church.

You are right that some crime will be prevented by citizen carrying but the % of crime prevented might not be significant. You are also right about helping out your fellow citizens. Do you remember the girl in Detroit who stopped a car jacking last year. Perfect example of why CPLs help.

Got to stop writing now, time for church.

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Jul 17, 2016 07:17:23   #
FlyingTiger Loc: Tortola, BVI
 
Opus wrote:
The purpose is a CCW is personal protection, not preventing crime. That is the job of the police and politicians. Police are often handicapped in their efforts by the politicians. Instead of gun control we need politician control.


When you practice personal protection, however you do it, concealed carry or something else, preventing crime can be one of the results. That may be the one qualifier.

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Jul 17, 2016 14:24:24   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Opus wrote:
The purpose is a CCW is personal protection, not preventing crime. That is the job of the police and politicians. Police are often handicapped in their efforts by the politicians. Instead of gun control we need politician control.


Where you have large numbers of CCWs the bad guys have to take that into consideration when picking victims, that slows or prevents some crime.
The fact the police exist prevents a lot of crime, the fact they are not everywhere negates a lot of that because the bad guys will take a gamble. The police respond to crimes that have been committed for the most part. Except in the cases of code violations, traffic (and even there it is mostly giving tickets after the violation takes place) and investigations as followup to intel about something that might be coming.

The main prevention of crime is the individual's sense of right and wrong altered by knowledge of what is legal and what is illegal.

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Jul 17, 2016 14:27:05   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
bull drink water wrote:
horse hokky, if you stop someone from k*****g or robbing you, you are preventing a crime. it is hoped that if you see an unarmed citizen being victimized you would come to their aid or at least the perp would fear that you would. open carry is more effective than ccw. the hardest part is getting the police use to citizens wearing their hawglegs.


I have to disagree about open carry. If huge %s open carried, probably. Otherwise all it does is tell the bad guy who to shoot first.

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