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May 12, 2012 14:39:22   #
ALYN Loc: Lebanon, Indiana
 
Yep--pretty fair. What more could you ask ???? I have been an OLY fan for several years. Sounds like you have a 560 ? I have an 800; but sometimes I miss the controls of the 560. ALYN

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May 12, 2012 14:55:44   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
wlgoode wrote:
pounder35 wrote:
wlgoode wrote:
photopop44 wrote:
An observation I've made about DSLRs is the less expensive ones have some "modes" for different scenes or situations maybe one of the modes being "scene". The higher the price the more scenes until the price becomes "Professional" and then most/all of the scenes go away. The little bit of explanation I get from my owners manual and camera describes easy shutter speed and aperture adjustments that I'm smart enough to make on my own however landscape, portrait and sunset mention bringing out different colors. I see that this can be done by making adjustments to the White Balance. Is this what owners of Pro quality cameras do to bring out colors or do they do it with editing soft ware? The D 5100's perspective control and fish eye effect are not an adjustment I can make!

I've used my SCENE setting one time. I selected Sunset, put the camera on a tripod, pointed it at the sunset and pushed the button. I thought the Olympus did a pretty good job.
An observation I've made about DSLRs is the less e... (show quote)


The less expensive cameras are meant to appeal to first time buyers (but many are good enough for pro use) many beginners start by using their DSLRs like a Point & Shoot camera, hence the modes but these cameras, and bridge cameras, allow them to advance their skills as they gain more experience.
quote=photopop44 An observation I've made about D... (show quote)


I would have to agree with the P/S comment. There are plenty out there that offer multiple settings such as shutter or aperture perferred as well as the full program mode. Problem is they cost almost as must as an entry level DSLR. Only advantage is they are smaller and easy to carry. Maybe in a shirt pocket and purse when you don't want to carry around a large camera bag. A decent zoom ratio and decent MP will take care of most needs. I'm shopping for one right now but I'll never leave for a trip without my Canon DSLR. :thumbup:
quote=wlgoode quote=photopop44 An observation I'... (show quote)


You might want to check out bridge cameras or the newer MILCs.
quote=pounder35 quote=wlgoode quote=photopop44 ... (show quote)


I hate to sound stupid(even though I am) but what the hell is a MILC? I know I could Google it but I've been working in the yard all day and just too lazy. Plus it might provide usefull info for others. :thumbup:

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May 12, 2012 15:01:35   #
bhfranklin Loc: Boston Area / Cape Cod
 
ferrinmike wrote:
I think we are missing the point here, this is a great picture. It really doesn't matter what settings he used, when you hang it on the wall, no one cares. I might have taken a few in auto mode, but I'm not going to throw them away just because I didn't make all the adjustments myself, or had to do it in PP. USE WHAT WORKS, I prefer a great picture in an AUIO mode, than an average one because you are still learning.


Ferrinmike has it right. It really is the end result that matters. I use the many scene and auto modes in my Sony Alpha to teach me or at least get a good starting point as I learn to shoot in Rawa/Manual.

Great sunset!

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May 12, 2012 15:05:12   #
Indi Loc: L. I., NY, Palm Beach Cty when it's cold.
 
JMorris271 wrote:
My wife and I will be doing a European river cruise this June. I want to bring home some good shots. Without sounding too rhetorical,the trip cost a chunk of cash for the 15 days.
My skills are not developed to a degree that I can be 100% sure of good captures. With this being the case, I will have to rely on the guts of my Nikon and not guess work.
I can play around at home to learn where it doesn't matter.
Maybe some day,I can do another trip and use manual all the time.


I think my brother in law and his wife are doing that. Wonder if it's the same trip?

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May 12, 2012 15:19:10   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
pounder35 wrote:


I hate to sound stupid(even though I am) but what the hell is a MILC? I know I could Google it but I've been working in the yard all day and just too lazy. Plus it might provide usefull info for others. :thumbup:


MILC =Mirrorless Interchangagle Lens Camera..
I didn't know either and was curious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirrorless_interchangeable-lens_camera

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May 12, 2012 15:22:29   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
Never mind I found it ! Here is what MILC stands for.

The Milk Income Loss Contract (MILC) program began with the 2002 Farm Bill. It was designed to replace the money lost to New England farmers when ...

Your tax dollars at work! Just like paying farmers not to grow something. I have to laugh to keep from crying.

if you think I made this up google it. I'm creative but not that creative. BTW I'm running for a public office. Not sure what but I need your vote. I'll let you know.


pounder35 wrote:
wlgoode wrote:
pounder35 wrote:
wlgoode wrote:
photopop44 wrote:
An observation I've made about DSLRs is the less expensive ones have some "modes" for different scenes or situations maybe one of the modes being "scene". The higher the price the more scenes until the price becomes "Professional" and then most/all of the scenes go away. The little bit of explanation I get from my owners manual and camera describes easy shutter speed and aperture adjustments that I'm smart enough to make on my own however landscape, portrait and sunset mention bringing out different colors. I see that this can be done by making adjustments to the White Balance. Is this what owners of Pro quality cameras do to bring out colors or do they do it with editing soft ware? The D 5100's perspective control and fish eye effect are not an adjustment I can make!

I've used my SCENE setting one time. I selected Sunset, put the camera on a tripod, pointed it at the sunset and pushed the button. I thought the Olympus did a pretty good job.
An observation I've made about DSLRs is the less e... (show quote)


The less expensive cameras are meant to appeal to first time buyers (but many are good enough for pro use) many beginners start by using their DSLRs like a Point & Shoot camera, hence the modes but these cameras, and bridge cameras, allow them to advance their skills as they gain more experience.
quote=photopop44 An observation I've made about D... (show quote)


I would have to agree with the P/S comment. There are plenty out there that offer multiple settings such as shutter or aperture perferred as well as the full program mode. Problem is they cost almost as must as an entry level DSLR. Only advantage is they are smaller and easy to carry. Maybe in a shirt pocket and purse when you don't want to carry around a large camera bag. A decent zoom ratio and decent MP will take care of most needs. I'm shopping for one right now but I'll never leave for a trip without my Canon DSLR. :thumbup:
quote=wlgoode quote=photopop44 An observation I'... (show quote)


You might want to check out bridge cameras or the newer MILCs.
quote=pounder35 quote=wlgoode quote=photopop44 ... (show quote)


I hate to sound stupid(even though I am) but what the hell is a MILC? I know I could Google it but I've been working in the yard all day and just too lazy. Plus it might provide usefull info for others. :thumbup:
quote=wlgoode quote=pounder35 quote=wlgoode qu... (show quote)


:roll: :thumbup: :roll:

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May 12, 2012 15:23:54   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
pounder35 wrote:


I hate to sound stupid(even though I am) but what the hell is a MILC? I know I could Google it but I've been working in the yard all day and just too lazy. Plus it might provide usefull info for others. :thumbup:


MILC =Mirrorless Interchangagle Lens Camera..
I didn't know either and was curious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirrorless_interchangeable-lens_camera


Wrong, wrong, wrong. See my last post. :thumbup:

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May 12, 2012 16:37:52   #
1941Buckeye Loc: home is Miami Co., Ohio
 
WOW! Totally awesome! And with an Olympus. I still have my 1979 OM-10. I'm not sure it will do all the things you all discribe, but what it does do, I'm happy with. I'm thinking maybe good to get a newer Olympus. Well, Keep up that good work!!!

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May 12, 2012 16:45:00   #
1941Buckeye Loc: home is Miami Co., Ohio
 
Sorry but what are M settings? Actually I don't know any of those others, either!

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May 12, 2012 16:57:06   #
larryzplace Loc: Elk Grove Village Illinois
 
Looks like the right time and right place.....That helps so much.
Very nice picture.

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May 12, 2012 17:12:41   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
Indi wrote:
I started off using P mode on my D5100 until I read "Understanding Exposure," by Bryan Peterson (I think that's the author.) ...


I just finished his book also. I didn't think I'd get much out of it because I understood exposure pretty well but found I learned a lot of nifty ideas from him. I really like how he illustrates his points with pictures. He also demonstrates his expertise.

I will continue to keep my D5100 on P mode most of the time. For those that don't know it P mode isn't "full program mode". You have control over most things and use the thumbwheel to index through the combinations of f-stop and shutter speed that deliver a correct exposure depending on how you have set things like ISO and metering.

I don't have a problem with the other modes. I shot full manual for thirty years, including manual focus, so am perfectly comfortable doing so. But I don't get the fascination with manual. While certain circumstances demand it (e.g. when I hook my camera to my telescope) using it all the time seems to me like hooking a horse to your 2012 Lexus.

I like experimenting with the scene modes from time to time; even the silly ones like "Mintiature". I choose A or S mode from time to time when I want to do certain things; e.g. ensure a shutter speed for falling water.

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May 12, 2012 17:19:49   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
1941Buckeye wrote:
Sorry but what are M settings? Actually I don't know any of those others, either!


I would think M is for manual. Are we talking OM-10? I haven't seen one in years but they had a manual shutter speed selector that attached to the front upper right looking at the front of the camera. It allowed you manual selection of shutter speeds from 1 sec. to 1/1000. If the M setting was selected without the adapter the camera shot at 1/60. I think? Don't trust my memory though. I certainly don't! :roll:

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May 12, 2012 17:39:07   #
1941Buckeye Loc: home is Miami Co., Ohio
 
Hello Pounder would you explain "Bridge Camera"; DSLR; and MP to me? Some of the many things I need to re-learn. some day I'll ask someone about upgrading my 1979 Olympus OM-10. Well, Thanks, Buckeye

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May 12, 2012 17:42:30   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
1941Buckeye wrote:
Hello Pounder would you explain "Bridge Camera"; DSLR; and MP to me? Some of the many things I need to re-learn. some day I'll ask someone about upgrading my 1979 Olympus OM-10. Well, Thanks, Buckeye


Maybe I responded wrong. If so I'm sorry. I thought the question was concerning the M setting on an Olympus OM-10. I must not have had enough sleep last night. :roll:
I can't decide if your reply was serious or not. That's the problem with non-verbal communication. I was just trying to be helpfull. :thumbup:

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May 12, 2012 18:31:44   #
jpy56 Loc: Las Vegas, NV
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Really nice shot, photopop!

I've even seen a "food' mode on a camera.
Not sure what that's about at all!
I use only A, S, & M modes 'cause I want to do the thinking.


Every time I use the "Food" scene mode, I keep hoping that the "smell" will be recorded, too! Not so, so far.

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