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J Paul Getty Museum: another view
Jul 1, 2016 10:10:00   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
This is how I see it. As I said in the other discussion, this is a great place to visit. The interiors are too dim for good photos but the artwork in the galleries is as impressive as that outside.


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Jul 1, 2016 10:32:13   #
Frank2013 Loc: San Antonio, TX. & Milwaukee, WI.
 
All enjoyable shots abc.

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Jul 1, 2016 14:32:09   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
Nice set. I like the last one best - the architectural simplicity, the rich color tones and contrast, and less busy than the other images.

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Jul 2, 2016 09:00:27   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
This is a really nice set of what might normally be a rather boring "I Went Here" shots. The compositions and processing makes them into something much more appealing, something that draws and holds my attention.

#1 - Love the way you lined up the shadows with the lines of the benches the the architectural lines of the buildings leading to an off center vanishing point somewhere upper right. My favorite part is the elongated and somewhat ominous shadow that ends up on the canister thingy beside the bench - photographer perhaps? The sky, while interesting, wants some noise treatment.
#2 - Nice use of lines, shapes and Little People to draw the eye through the scene. Good choice of viewpoint from above. I would bet you might've had some verticals to correct and if so, you did a good job with it. There's some CA on the trees that needs to be fixed but should be easy. Some haloing too, that may be harder.
#3 - Good mix of compositional elements with the curved contours of the building to lead us left and then back right, and still let us see the landscape to the left. CA in the trees again.
#4 - Nicely composed image in good light, this one can stand alone outside the set. Deceptively simple with excellent use of the cloud features working with the cactus. Got some CA here too along the edge of the building.

If you set your LR import preset to always correct for CA, it ought to take care of a lot of that for you. Of course some of it escapes the basic CA correction and forces us to wrangle with it individually. I had one of the turquoise variety last night that I simply could not solve, so let it rest and will go back later.

Did I say I really like the composition and the processing? Thanks for sharing.

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Jul 2, 2016 09:40:48   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
rook2c4 wrote:
Nice set. I like the last one best - the architectural simplicity, the rich color tones and contrast, and less busy than the other images.


I agree.

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Jul 2, 2016 23:56:53   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
Frank2013 wrote:
All enjoyable shots abc.


Thank you Frank. I am glad you enjoy them.

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Jul 3, 2016 00:00:44   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
rook2c4 wrote:
Nice set. I like the last one best - the architectural simplicity, the rich color tones and contrast, and less busy than the other images.


Thank you rook. I too liked the compositional contrast of number 4. I also wanted to show the city in the valley below to give the viewer an idea of where the museum is located but that was not so successful. The Getty is full of one photographic delight after another. When you tire of the buildings, you can do the people. When you tire of the big picture, you can turn to the architectural details.

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Jul 3, 2016 00:35:37   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
minniev wrote:
This is a really nice set of what might normally be a rather boring "I Went Here" shots. The compositions and processing makes them into something much more appealing, something that draws and holds my attention.

#1 - Love the way you lined up the shadows with the lines of the benches the the architectural lines of the buildings leading to an off center vanishing point somewhere upper right. My favorite part is the elongated and somewhat ominous shadow that ends up on the canister thingy beside the bench - photographer perhaps? The sky, while interesting, wants some noise treatment.
#2 - Nice use of lines, shapes and Little People to draw the eye through the scene. Good choice of viewpoint from above. I would bet you might've had some verticals to correct and if so, you did a good job with it. There's some CA on the trees that needs to be fixed but should be easy. Some haloing too, that may be harder.
#3 - Good mix of compositional elements with the curved contours of the building to lead us left and then back right, and still let us see the landscape to the left. CA in the trees again.
#4 - Nicely composed image in good light, this one can stand alone outside the set. Deceptively simple with excellent use of the cloud features working with the cactus. Got some CA here too along the edge of the building.

If you set your LR import preset to always correct for CA, it ought to take care of a lot of that for you. Of course some of it escapes the basic CA correction and forces us to wrangle with it individually. I had one of the turquoise variety last night that I simply could not solve, so let it rest and will go back later.

Did I say I really like the composition and the processing? Thanks for sharing.
This is a really nice set of what might normally b... (show quote)


Hi Minnie,

Thank you for your careful and thoughtful review. The "I Went Here" do have a purpose for me: they document the larger environs. However, I like the details such as in 3 and 4 while 1 and 2 give the scope and energy of the Getty. I like your eye for detail and looked into all your points so here we go.

1.) You flatter me about the shadows but I was more concerned about getting all those v-shaped perspectives. I did not even catch the guy's shadow and no, it was not I. My shadow was in the lower right and I removed it with content-aware. Look at how the seams are off. By the way, all the walls, floors and buildings have all these seams which are all collinear throughout the site. One of the architect's many details as explained by the docent. CA was set to on and missing in the partially edited raw. I went to PS to use the high-pass filter for sharpening but you caught how that created the halos and noise in the sky.

2.) CA was off causing the problem including in the trees. Yes, I did correct the verticals, pretty much standard for me. I love the strong lines of the buildings and sidewalks. As for the Little People, the two guys in the foreground, I cheated. I brought them out in LR with the radial filter. And I also cheated on that round piece in the center. I did not stand out like this in the late January sun. The late afternoon light does amazing things here.

3.) Again CA was off and would have helped both the trees and building. I like how the architect threw in an occasional curve to break of the straight lines. Very 1930's-ish. Worked well here.

4.) Ditto about the CA being turned off. This is the aperitif of the series, so to speak. It also contrasts the less regular shapes and differing colors of nature to the regularity of the architect's simpler and more predictable lines and colors.

You have taught me the lesson of CA, something I have not been very consistent about, mainly because I do not look that closely. Certainly easy enough to fix in the future. To change the subject to clouds, I usually invoke the poor man's polarizer: decreasing or increasing the blue luminance. Works well so long as you do not have significant blue elsewhere in the picture.

Thanks Minnie for your thoughtful and positive criticisms. And put the Getty on to your list of places to go. Now, for something a bit more traditional from the inside. This was from an exhibit of furniture from Versailles and Louis XVI. Hand-held at 1/10, f/5.6 and ISO 1000. Shake reduction in PS.


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Jul 3, 2016 08:29:22   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
abc1234 wrote:
Hi Minnie,

Thank you for your careful and thoughtful review. The "I Went Here" do have a purpose for me: they document the larger environs. However, I like the details such as in 3 and 4 while 1 and 2 give the scope and energy of the Getty. I like your eye for detail and looked into all your points so here we go.

1.) You flatter me about the shadows but I was more concerned about getting all those v-shaped perspectives. I did not even catch the guy's shadow and no, it was not I. My shadow was in the lower right and I removed it with content-aware. Look at how the seams are off. By the way, all the walls, floors and buildings have all these seams which are all collinear throughout the site. One of the architect's many details as explained by the docent. CA was set to on and missing in the partially edited raw. I went to PS to use the high-pass filter for sharpening but you caught how that created the halos and noise in the sky.

2.) CA was off causing the problem including in the trees. Yes, I did correct the verticals, pretty much standard for me. I love the strong lines of the buildings and sidewalks. As for the Little People, the two guys in the foreground, I cheated. I brought them out in LR with the radial filter. And I also cheated on that round piece in the center. I did not stand out like this in the late January sun. The late afternoon light does amazing things here.

3.) Again CA was off and would have helped both the trees and building. I like how the architect threw in an occasional curve to break of the straight lines. Very 1930's-ish. Worked well here.

4.) Ditto about the CA being turned off. This is the aperitif of the series, so to speak. It also contrasts the less regular shapes and differing colors of nature to the regularity of the architect's simpler and more predictable lines and colors.

You have taught me the lesson of CA, something I have not been very consistent about, mainly because I do not look that closely. Certainly easy enough to fix in the future. To change the subject to clouds, I usually invoke the poor man's polarizer: decreasing or increasing the blue luminance. Works well so long as you do not have significant blue elsewhere in the picture.

Thanks Minnie for your thoughtful and positive criticisms. And put the Getty on to your list of places to go. Now, for something a bit more traditional from the inside. This was from an exhibit of furniture from Versailles and Louis XVI. Hand-held at 1/10, f/5.6 and ISO 1000. Shake reduction in PS.
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I like that shot of the ornate table too.

I have never known why Adobe doesn't have basic CA on as a default. After all, who WANTS magenta and turquoise fringing in their trees?

I use the blue luminance trick too, in many situations it works quite well.

No cheating in your work here. Only editing, which is the photographer's responsibility. The camera can only capture an image, or perhaps only the raw ingredients of an image. It is still up to the photographer to shape it as they choose.

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Jul 3, 2016 10:05:24   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
minniev wrote:
I like that shot of the ornate table too.

I have never known why Adobe doesn't have basic CA on as a default. After all, who WANTS magenta and turquoise fringing in their trees?

I use the blue luminance trick too, in many situations it works quite well.

No cheating in your work here. Only editing, which is the photographer's responsibility. The camera can only capture an image, or perhaps only the raw ingredients of an image. It is still up to the photographer to shape it as they choose.
I like that shot of the ornate table too. br br I... (show quote)


The wonderful Versailles pieces and an accompanying exhibit of pre-Revolution tapestries were a sly contrast to the modern architecture. I have a lot more shot under very dim light. The details are so interesting and then to think of the fact that the last king and queen of France touched these pieces is humbling.

I think Adobe tries to be all things to all people which means someone will always be unhappy with something. Fortunately, it has a simple fix. Just think of everything else they have given us.

That luminance trick is sure handy and easy. No intricate masking. I use it for other colors such as green for grass.

Except where truth or accuracy is strictly required as in forensics, science or journalism, I agree the photographer can embellish as he or she can do whatever he or she wants. Your comments certainly beat the emoji's and terse, inane comments.

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