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Mar 4, 2016 09:57:48   #
Meives Loc: FORT LAUDERDALE
 
[quote=piedmonte66]There are several things to discuss here. Thank you Piedmonte for having the guts to post and ask. Many members have no interest in getting better. I would first bump up the ISO from 100 to 800. Many of us were taught to always use ISO 100. No more. The F 14 is a bit higher than needed, but it will give the largest DOF (depth of field). I would have tried F 8 or F11. Then the shutter speed could get a bit faster. (With tripod I don't know if needed). The histogram shows a large area on the right hand side that was flat. I move the arrow to the side of the mountain and this made your image brighter. Again, this is was the HOG is to me and I love discussions like this. David



Flat on right needs more light
Flat on right needs more light...


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Mar 4, 2016 10:59:36   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
[quote=Meives]
piedmonte66 wrote:
There are several things to discuss here. Thank you Piedmonte for having the guts to post and ask. Many members have no interest in getting better. I would first bump up the ISO from 100 to 800. Many of us were taught to always use ISO 100. No more. The F 14 is a bit higher than needed, but it will give the largest DOF (depth of field). I would have tried F 8 or F11. Then the shutter speed could get a bit faster. (With tripod I don't know if needed). The histogram shows a large area on the right hand side that was flat. I move the arrow to the side of the mountain and this made your image brighter. Again, this is was the HOG is to me and I love discussions like this. David
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David, you did well. I'd probably want a bit of image specific white balance and a bit of perspective adjustment, as well.
--Bob


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Mar 4, 2016 11:24:50   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
Rick36203 wrote:
......The DOF calculator indicates when that lens is set to its hyperfocal setting (@18MM)... near focus at f/14 is 1.89ft, and at f/5.6 it is still only 4.7ft.......


You make a good point, Rick. And if the OP had used hyperfocal distance, your figures show that the question of DOF would be irrelevant.

I don't have a lot of experience of shooting indoors, but I've done a fair bit of landscape shooting, and I know that if your focus point is off in the distance, the near foreground won't be sharp, even using f-stops higher than f/14 and at a wide angle setting. If the focus point in this shot was at the far wall, that's a fair stretch for the DOF to include things that are 5 or 6 ft from the camera.

Anyway, these points aside, I would agree with the various posters who have stated that the lack of clarity isn't due to focus issues, it's a brightness and contrast thing. The talk about lens sweet spots and hyperfocal distance makes for interesting reading, but I think a discussion about exposure levels, or post processing of the image as shot, would be a more relevant direction to head in.

I've had a look at it in Lightroom, and I can confirm that it's about brightness levels. Sharpness isn't a problem and saturation isn't a problem. There's a very small amount of CA that isn't noticeable until you zoom in, but Lightroom recognised the lens and I was able to do lens corrections, including CA removal.

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Mar 4, 2016 11:32:15   #
Fred Harwood Loc: Sheffield, Mass.
 
Here's a quick alternative. ACR, 16-bit, then levels, reduced highlights and shadow, corrected vertical distortion (required new crop)...

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Mar 4, 2016 11:49:55   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Fred Harwood wrote:
Here's a quick alternative. ACR, 16-bit, then levels, reduced highlights and shadow, corrected vertical distortion (required new crop)...


Probably could use a bit of white balance in the mix. (see previous post).

Additionally, outside of a few questions answered at the very start of this thread, the OP hasn't responded to any of the examples posted. Seems like an exercise for exercise only.
--Bob

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Mar 5, 2016 09:43:00   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
rmalarz wrote:
......outside of a few questions answered at the very start of this thread, the OP hasn't responded to any of the examples posted. Seems like an exercise for exercise only.
--Bob


You're probably right, but I'd like to make a parting comment. I'm fairly sure that anybody who's worked on this image would agree the lack of clarity has nothing to do with sharpness - it's all about brightness and contrast. I'm fairly sure that working on sharpness without sorting out these issues would have done nothing to sort the image's problems.

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Mar 5, 2016 10:06:44   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
R.G. wrote:
You're probably right, but I'd like to make a parting comment. I'm fairly sure that anybody who's worked on this image would agree the lack of clarity has nothing to do with sharpness - it's all about brightness and contrast. I'm fairly sure that working on sharpness without sorting out these issues would have done nothing to sort the image's problems.

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I'm with you R.G.
--Bob

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Mar 5, 2016 11:16:07   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
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Mar 5, 2016 22:55:37   #
canon Lee
 
piedmonte66 wrote:
I went to our church to take some photos and the lighting in the church is not the best for taking pictures. With the poor lighting, I set my D7000 (with my 18-200) on a tripod using the aperture priority function set to f14 with the ISO at 100 and the shutter speed ended up at 1.3sec. What should I have done (if anything) to get better clarity? Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for taking time to look. Oops, I think I should have put this in the photo gallery but not sure how to move it.
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Since your photo will have no movement in it, you could take a time exposure shot. For that you would have to raise your ISO to at least 800%, followed by a long shutter exposure. I would open your lens fully as well. To get the correct shutter you will have to take several different shutter speeds. A tripod is most essential & during the long shutter speed make sure that there is no walking around to vibrate the floor. To avoid lens distortion (Barreling) keep your focal length in the middle range of your lens.

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Mar 6, 2016 03:57:06   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
piedmonte66 wrote:
I went to our church to take some photos and the lighting in the church is not the best for taking pictures. With the poor lighting, I set my D7000 (with my 18-200) on a tripod using the aperture priority function set to f14 with the ISO at 100 and the shutter speed ended up at 1.3sec. What should I have done (if anything) to get better clarity? Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for taking time to look. Oops, I think I should have put this in the photo gallery but not sure how to move it.
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Not sure what you mean by clarity. It is underexposed though so it appears a bit drab.

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