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Nov 29, 2015 14:22:16   #
cucharared Loc: Texas, Colorado
 
Here's a couple of shots that I need critique on. Same position obviously. The effect (silhouette of tree) is what I wanted but neither shot really does it for me. If I remember correctly, I didn't have much choice in where to get off the trail but it looks like that's exactly what I needed (a lateral move). I managed to get the rule of thirds mostly in play on the horizontal shot but obviously not on the vertical. These are SOOC and I haven't played around too much to see what cropping would do - just looked at them at different magnification to see if anything jumped out at me.

Anyway, tear 'em up. I'm a big boy.

ron

Park Ave, vertical
Park Ave, vertical...
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Park Ave, horizontal
Park Ave, horizontal...
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Nov 29, 2015 14:45:40   #
BassmanBruce Loc: Middle of the Mitten
 
Just my 2ยข, but if you get another shot move so that the tree is in one of the open spaces and doesn't merge with any of the icons.

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Nov 29, 2015 14:45:41   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
This is the kind of situation that would make me crazy. There is a unique, stunning photo op, but no way to quite make it work. Or maybe someone will come along with a suggestion - and we will both have good information :)

Even if cropped, I don't care for the vertical because you lose so much of the beautiful background. However, the horizontal doesn't work for me either. I really, really want to like it. But the shade is soooo deep and dark, it makes the image look like the silhouette was pasted on. And the background is soooo gorgeous, I want to see it alone, without the "weird" foreground.

As I said, perhaps someone else can share a solution. I'm as curious about feedback on this one as you, Ron, as it's so unique.

btw, I see your camera sensor needs cleaning as much as mine does :)

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Nov 29, 2015 15:13:07   #
cucharared Loc: Texas, Colorado
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
This is the kind of situation that would make me crazy. There is a unique, stunning photo op, but no way to quite make it work. Or maybe someone will come along with a suggestion - and we will both have good information :)

Even if cropped, I don't care for the vertical because you lose so much of the beautiful background. However, the horizontal doesn't work for me either. I really, really want to like it. But the shade is soooo deep and dark, it makes the image look like the silhouette was pasted on. And the background is soooo gorgeous, I want to see it alone, without the "weird" foreground.

As I said, perhaps someone else can share a solution. I'm as curious about feedback on this one as you, Ron, as it's so unique.

btw, I see your camera sensor needs cleaning as much as mine does :)
This is the kind of situation that would make me c... (show quote)


Thanks, Linda.

Yeah, it stinks to now be about 1000 miles away from a re-do. I agree it looks like I just glued a silhouette over a decent photo. Really disappointing. But, I think I did take some without the tree so not all is lost. I'll post one or two later.

What are you seeing that tells you my sensor needs cleaning? Maybe my eyes aren't good enough to see (they aren't). And, how do you know it's the sensor rather than dust on lens?

ron

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Nov 29, 2015 15:18:15   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
cucharared wrote:
T...
What are you seeing that tells you my sensor needs cleaning? Maybe my eyes aren't good enough to see (they aren't). And, how do you know it's the sensor rather than dust on lens?
ron


Spots in the sky. See below (sorry I'm not on a computer with an editor to place arrows). I believe I read that dust on lens usually doesn't show up. The smaller the aperture, the more likely you'll see sensor dust spots, especially in places like blue skies. You could do a test by shooting white paper, too (at f/22 or so).



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Nov 29, 2015 15:35:56   #
cucharared Loc: Texas, Colorado
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Spots in the sky. See below (sorry I'm not on a computer with an editor to place arrows). I believe I read that dust on lens usually doesn't show up. The smaller the aperture, the more likely you'll see sensor dust spots, especially in places like blue skies. You could do a test by shooting white paper, too (at f/22 or so).


Thanks for that bit of information. I'm going to file it away for future use because I still can't see anything - I'm one of those who hasn't gotten a good result from cataract surgery and that's really making seeing things clearly a hassle. Once the doc has a solution (I hope), maybe I'll be able to see these little things again.

Thanks again. You are one of those UHH contributors I've come to really respect. I'm going to do the 'sensor clean' routine a couple of times with the camera. I think I've only done it once since I got it in May.

ron

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Nov 29, 2015 16:13:51   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Thank you for your compliment, much appreciated! Best wishes for a positive solution to your eyesight surgery. Scary times.

cucharared wrote:
Thanks for that bit of information. I'm going to file it away for future use because I still can't see anything - I'm one of those who hasn't gotten a good result from cataract surgery and that's really making seeing things clearly a hassle. Once the doc has a solution (I hope), maybe I'll be able to see these little things again.

Thanks again. You are one of those UHH contributors I've come to really respect. I'm going to do the 'sensor clean' routine a couple of times with the camera. I think I've only done it once since I got it in May.

ron
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Nov 30, 2015 05:25:01   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
cucharared wrote:
Here's a couple of shots that I need critique on. Same position obviously. The effect (silhouette of tree) is what I wanted but neither shot really does it for me. If I remember correctly, I didn't have much choice in where to get off the trail but it looks like that's exactly what I needed (a lateral move). I managed to get the rule of thirds mostly in play on the horizontal shot but obviously not on the vertical. These are SOOC and I haven't played around too much to see what cropping would do - just looked at them at different magnification to see if anything jumped out at me.

Anyway, tear 'em up. I'm a big boy.

ron
Here's a couple of shots that I need critique on. ... (show quote)


I agree with you on both images, I would stay with a horizontal, they usually work better with landscapes.
Did you shoot RAW or JPG? if shot RAW you can open up the foreground shadows a bit CS6 or some other PP program.
Not knowing the area I can't say much about the comp. but moving the camera to the right would surely help.

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Nov 30, 2015 08:45:53   #
greymule Loc: Colorado
 
cucharared wrote:
Here's a couple of shots that I need critique on. Same position obviously. The effect (silhouette of tree) is what I wanted but neither shot really does it for me. If I remember correctly, I didn't have much choice in where to get off the trail but it looks like that's exactly what I needed (a lateral move). I managed to get the rule of thirds mostly in play on the horizontal shot but obviously not on the vertical. These are SOOC and I haven't played around too much to see what cropping would do - just looked at them at different magnification to see if anything jumped out at me.

Anyway, tear 'em up. I'm a big boy.

ron
Here's a couple of shots that I need critique on. ... (show quote)


A lower shot position might do the trick :idea: :idea:

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Nov 30, 2015 09:43:06   #
Meives Loc: FORT LAUDERDALE
 
[quote=cucharared]I think the Park Ave, horizontal is an outstanding picture. I often suggest using HDR to smooth out the shadow areas with the bright areas.... But in this case, the silhouette makes for a great composition. I most always prefer rule of thirds and you nailed that too. Good work. David

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Nov 30, 2015 13:46:22   #
cucharared Loc: Texas, Colorado
 
I shot JPEG only on this trip so not much chance of seeing more. As I think back the thought is, "surely I could have moved enough", but don't know at this point. Next time...

Manglesphoto wrote:
I agree with you on both images, I would stay with a horizontal, they usually work better with landscapes.
Did you shoot RAW or JPG? if shot RAW you can open up the foreground shadows a bit CS6 or some other PP program.
Not knowing the area I can't say much about the comp. but moving the camera to the right would surely help.

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Nov 30, 2015 13:47:27   #
cucharared Loc: Texas, Colorado
 
Yeah, that seems like a "no duh" answer but at the time it never occurred to me. Thanks. Next time maybe I'll remember.

greymule wrote:
A lower shot position might do the trick :idea: :idea:

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Nov 30, 2015 13:49:01   #
cucharared Loc: Texas, Colorado
 
Thanks, David. It is 'almost' what I wanted.

[quote=Meives]
cucharared wrote:
I think the Park Ave, horizontal is an outstanding picture. I often suggest using HDR to smooth out the shadow areas with the bright areas.... But in this case, the silhouette makes for a great composition. I most always prefer rule of thirds and you nailed that too. Good work. David

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