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Nov 24, 2015 10:45:51   #
foxhal Loc: Boynton Beach FL
 
After 25 years of using PCs I've been looking at buying a MAC (best quality hardware). Can I delete the Mac OS and just use Windows 10 for all my programs (no dual boot)

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Nov 24, 2015 10:52:06   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
foxhal wrote:
After 25 years of using PCs I've been looking at buying a MAC (best quality hardware). Can I delete the Mac OS and just use Windows 10 for all my programs (no dual boot)


You would need to get specific drivers for the hardware inside - if you make use of Boot Camp then the driver issues are handled - once you select which OS to boot from it will continue to boot from that OS until you elect to switch back.

You can also make use of a program like Virtual Box to run another OS inside OS X.

NOT sure why you would want to throw away a great UNIX OS for windows as the only OS.

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Nov 24, 2015 11:02:50   #
Just Fred Loc: Darwin's Waiting Room
 
One question and one observation:

1) Why do so many people write it as "MAC" (all upper case) instead of "Mac?"

2) Macs have the ability to dual-boot through a capability called "Boot Camp." The Boot Camp Assistant program will walk you through the process (you will need your own copy of Windows, however). The key is that the internal hard disk on your Mac will need to be repartitioned (BCA will help you here, also). Then, every time you start your Mac, you will have the choice of which OS you want to use.

Personally, I use Parallels to create virtual machines on my Mac, allowing me to run Windows 7, Windows 10, Windows Server 2008, Windows Server 2012, and a variety of Linux distributions (not all at the same time, of course -- I don't have that much memory). For me, it's the best of all possible worlds.

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Nov 24, 2015 11:32:19   #
rjaywallace Loc: Wisconsin
 
Makes no sense at all to throw away Apple's great, stable OS X and use a Windows operating system instead. If you insist on using Windows because it seems more familiar, PM me with details of what features are included in the Mac you purchased and a price. Then you can get on the horn to Dell, HP, Asus or whoever.

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Nov 25, 2015 07:35:03   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Just Fred wrote:
One question and one observation:

1) Why do so many people write it as "MAC" (all upper case) instead of "Mac?"

My son's initials are MAC, so it gets confusing. When he was going to get an iMac, I got him a mousepad that said Mac for MAC.

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Nov 25, 2015 07:38:01   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Just Fred wrote:
One question and one observation:

1) Why do so many people write it as "MAC" (all upper case) instead of "Mac?"

2) Macs have the ability to dual-boot through a capability called "Boot Camp." The Boot Camp Assistant program will walk you through the process (you will need your own copy of Windows, however). The key is that the internal hard disk on your Mac will need to be repartitioned (BCA will help you here, also). Then, every time you start your Mac, you will have the choice of which OS you want to use.

Personally, I use Parallels to create virtual machines on my Mac, allowing me to run Windows 7, Windows 10, Windows Server 2008, Windows Server 2012, and a variety of Linux distributions (not all at the same time, of course -- I don't have that much memory). For me, it's the best of all possible worlds.
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I installed VirtualBox because it's free, and I don't have to reboot. Parallels will work on only one machine, and every time you get a free Apple OS upgrade, you have to buy a new Parallels.

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Nov 25, 2015 07:39:18   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
foxhal wrote:
After 25 years of using PCs I've been looking at buying a MAC (best quality hardware). Can I delete the Mac OS and just use Windows 10 for all my programs (no dual boot)

You will first have to buy a copy of Windows. I ordered Win7, and after I install it, I'll get the free Win10.

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Nov 25, 2015 08:03:12   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
jerryc41 wrote:
You will first have to buy a copy of Windows. I ordered Win7, and after I install it, I'll get the free Win10.


FYI:

You might find that Microsnot will determine that w7 running in a VM will not support an upgrade to Win10 running in a VM... It will squawk that the machine will not support win 10 - BUT I have win10 running in a VM, and it runs fine, Microsnot is mistaken.

BUT, I question myself - WHY would I want to run win anything in a VM on my Mac? Can't answer that I am afraid ;)

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Nov 25, 2015 10:10:30   #
Pgphoto Loc: Brooklyn, NY
 
Thats not true after updating after updating from Mavericks to el Capitan. Parallels has just needed a free update to handle the new OS. Of course like any other program when a product undergoes a significant upgrade then you have to pay

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Nov 25, 2015 10:23:45   #
Pgphoto Loc: Brooklyn, NY
 
Running Win7 on a mac using Parallels --- Microsoft detected that i was running win7 and allowed me to install Win10 for free. To tell you the truth there are a couple of reasons I still use windows
1. There are a couple of programs that still run better or do not exist on Mac. Quicken for one is available for Mac but certain info on windows doesn't get transferred over even the new 2016 version. I have been using quicken for twenty years so the info is important to me. Another program Paperport is non existent on OS X.
2. I just like to stay informed on the new os so as to help friends and family when they have a problem.

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Nov 25, 2015 11:25:23   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
Pgphoto wrote:
Running Win7 on a mac using Parallels --- Microsoft detected that i was running win7 and allowed me to install Win10 for free. To tell you the truth there are a couple of reasons I still use windows
1. There are a couple of programs that still run better or do not exist on Mac. Quicken for one is available for Mac but certain info on windows doesn't get transferred over even the new 2016 version. I have been using quicken for twenty years so the info is important to me. Another program Paperport is non existent on OS X.
2. I just like to stay informed on the new os so as to help friends and family when they have a problem.
Running Win7 on a mac using Parallels --- Micros... (show quote)


I would suspect that Parallels as well as VMWARE have better open GL integration and hide the VM layer better than Virtual box at present so that Win10 will not balk at the installation.

While Virtual Box may lag behind slightly and Win 10 may balk during an update process in a VB VM, it will be corrected soon, if not already.

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Nov 25, 2015 11:56:13   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
foxhal wrote:
After 25 years of using PCs I've been looking at buying a MAC (best quality hardware). Can I delete the Mac OS and just use Windows 10 for all my programs (no dual boot)


As noted by others, use a virtual machine (VM) manager such as Parallels. You can have Windows, Linux etc as previously noted.

Also, you can run your windows program in a window of it's own on top of all your Mac programs and Windows can be told to communicate with the OS X desktop etc.

Virtual Machine will give you the best of both worlds. The Virtual Machine will live a a large file on your HD. When you make a change or install a program, just copy the updated Virtual Machine file to an external HD or DVD, and when Windows goes "tits up" (as they say on http://www.theregister.co.uk/ ) you can just copy this file back to your Mac and be back in business.

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Nov 25, 2015 11:58:32   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
foxhal wrote:
After 25 years of using PCs I've been looking at buying a MAC (best quality hardware). Can I delete the Mac OS and just use Windows 10 for all my programs (no dual boot)


You don't have to delete the Mac OS you have to run a program called bootcamp which boots the Windows Operating system.

For more on boot camp see the following article:
http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204990

But Fox! If you like Windows that much why on earth would you want to do that?

First of all it's more expensive. Secondly the Mac will behave like a PC running Windows, with all those nagging pc problems and performance lags while it's constantly checking for viruses and downloading updates and what not. Ugh. That is NOT the Mac experience.

I use Mac and love it, but I think what makes sense is is to identify the software you like and buy the machine that runs it. If you clearly like Windows. I suggest you will be happier with a windows machine. If you want to try the Mac then use the Mac OS and get all it's benefits.

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Nov 25, 2015 12:01:31   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
BobHartung wrote:
As noted by others, use a virtual machine (VM) manager such as Parallels. You can have Windows, Linux etc as previously noted.

Also, you can run your windows program in a window of it's own on top of all your Mac programs and Windows can be told to communicate with the OS X desktop etc.

Virtual Machine will give you the best of both worlds. The Virtual Machine will live a a large file on your HD. When you make a change or install a program, just copy the updated Virtual Machine file to an external HD or DVD, and when Windows goes "tits up" (as they say on http://www.theregister.co.uk/ ) you can just copy this file back to your Mac and be back in business.
As noted by others, use a virtual machine (VM) man... (show quote)


I often make use of the snapshot function prior to making any change that can screw up the VM Client - when it crashes, then I easily just revert back to the previous snapshot.

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Nov 25, 2015 12:50:45   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
JD750 wrote:
You don't have to delete the Mac OS you have to run a program called bootcamp which boots the Windows Operating system.

For more on boot camp see the following article:
http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204990

But Fox! If you like Windows that much why on earth would you want to do that?

First of all it's more expensive. Secondly the Mac will behave like a PC running Windows, with all those nagging pc problems and performance lags while it's constantly checking for viruses and downloading updates and what not. Ugh. That is NOT the Mac experience.

I use Mac and love it, but I think what makes sense is is to identify the software you like and buy the machine that runs it. If you clearly like Windows. I suggest you will be happier with a windows machine. If you want to try the Mac then use the Mac OS and get all it's benefits.
You don't have to delete the Mac OS you have to ru... (show quote)


Whether he runs Windows in BootCamp environment or uses an emulator like Parallels, VMWare, or Virtual Box, getting a Mac to run Windows makes sense on many levels.

I'd be the first to agree that you should do it for the Mac experience, but many can't escape Windows due to software constraints. Others just want a comfort blanket.

I've used Parallels Desktop on a Mac since 2008. In my case, I used Parallels Transporter to suck the entire contents of a Dell Latitude laptop into my MacBook Pro. Once I transferred the license for Windows (called Micro$lop), I had ZERO complaints.

This is from a guy who has used Macs since 1985, and PCs since 1986... I LOVE not having two machines on my desk!

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