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Aug 6, 2015 13:02:24   #
Nightski
 
Lynn L wrote:
It sounds like with your super supple lady fingers you think you can load a reel in a darkroom or changing bag the first time with success; I hope you can. If I were betting, I'd bet against you. As far as cost of a wasted roll of film, I didn't even think of that. Back in the dark ages, any film I used, when available, I bought 100 foot rolls & loaded reusable cartridges. Hey, life is good. I just ran down stairs and looked in my old camera collection and I have a couple rolls of reloaded TMX-100. If you want, I'll part with one roll to help you out. If you'll send me a mailing address, I'll drop one the mail for you. The stuff is probably 15 or 20 yrs old. But it'll be free & plenty good enough to practice with. Hope this help you.
It sounds like with your super supple lady fingers... (show quote)


Thank you, Lynn. It sounds like superpijak is going to send me some to get me going, but I appreciate the kind offer. I was just hoping about the ladyfingers thing .. :-)

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Aug 6, 2015 13:03:10   #
superpijak Loc: Middle TN
 
Nightski wrote:
Thank you, Lynn. It sounds like superpijak is going to send me some to get me going, but I appreciate the kind offer. I was just hoping about the ladyfingers thing .. :-)


Need a tank and reel too?

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Aug 6, 2015 13:04:01   #
Darkroom317 Loc: Mishawaka, IN
 
Last night I loaded sheet film. One holder had a sheet already loaded the other side was empty. When I go to that holder I pulled pack both darkslides without thinking. So, I wasted a sheet last night. It is $1.24 per sheet.

Don't worry about trashing a roll of film for practicing loading a reel. 35mm film is cheap, better to trash a roll with no images than mess up one with something on it.

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Aug 6, 2015 13:10:28   #
Nightski
 
superpijak wrote:
Need a tank and reel too?


Yes, but I will have to send you something for them .. give me a fair price. :-)

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Aug 6, 2015 13:12:23   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Nightski wrote:
Yes, but I will have to send you something for them .. give me a fair price. :-)


How about one of your prints (signed) when you have done some you like! :D :D :mrgreen:

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Aug 6, 2015 13:43:50   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Nightski, use a film retriever. They are only $5 for the stainless version. Ask for more hints once you get it. If you use a can opener, the film can completely curl up and it can be a real pain. With the retriever you just pull out a foot and roll, then another foot etc, till your done, then cut the canister off.
I've used both types of reels extensively. The steel is easier. More goes wrong with the plastic and it's hard to tell in the dark what's wrong while rolling in the dark! Lots of moving parts in the plastic reels but I've never heard of one breaking. Both will get the job done.
Personally, I've only used the traditional chemicals but the developer is pretty temp sensitive. You HAVE to use a thermometer. Around here the water is usually too warm. Put ice cubes in a thin plastic bag and dip then around till the temp is correct. It won't dilute your solution. Don't forget to count pour time as part of the time as the film is still wet.
Buy a pack of negative cleaning cloths. They won't scratch your negatives. You just fog with your breath then clean. Just like cleaning a lens. Well, at least that's how I clean my lenses!! Nightski, good luck, it's really easy!
Afterall, everybody here has managed to do it, how hard can it be!!! :lol: :lol:
Take a b&w class and use their stuff!!!!! Usually everything is provided, including the instruction and chemicals, tanks, practice film and darkroom!
I had my negatives all ready and rented 10 hours of darkroom space for $35. I got 10 finished prints done in that time including all my test strips and filter test!!
Good luck. ;-)
SS
Nightski, use a film retriever. They are only $5 f... (show quote)


Another thought prompted by the thermometer comment....

We are so used with digital to being able to treat ISO/ASA/DIN settings as a variable. Well, they are with film as well, but it gets a bit more complicated since you can only vary things roll by roll, not frame by frame.

And it affects the processing too. Not just time and temperature, but which chemicals to use and how you use them....

This is an interesting read... http://www.ilfordphoto.com/Webfiles/20106281054152313.pdf

Have fun!

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Aug 6, 2015 13:53:09   #
twowindsbear
 
Nightski wrote:
Oh boy! It's going to be hard to waste a new film. :-( It goes against every fiber in my body. How about if I take a bunch of silly shots and then try it? :-) Somebody might be sending me a bunch of their old film if they can find it, so if that happens, I will shoot those up playing with light and form .. nothing I couldn't do over again and then use those my first few times? Hey Lynn .. maybe my lady fingers will be more agile than your man fingers. ;-) Hopefully .... :shock:

Hey ... maybe I could get some old film on amazon for cheap.
Oh boy! It's going to be hard to waste a new film.... (show quote)



You only need 1 practice roll. First, figure out how to get the film out of the cartridge - either pull the leader or open it. Then load the film in the light to learn that. Then practice even more in the dark. When you can load the practice film correctly several times in a row THEN use the 'real' film that you've shot.

Also, consider filling the developing tank, agitating it for the recomended time, pouring it out, then pouring in the next solutions, as a practice run for developing the film.

Also - use 'real' photo chemicals rather than a conction of coffee or something like that to start.

Good luck!

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Aug 6, 2015 13:53:57   #
Nightski
 
Peter .. this thought occurred to me as soon as I loaded my first roll ... I have a set ISO. I have another question as well. Can I change lenses in the middle of a roll of film without exposing the film?

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Aug 6, 2015 13:55:47   #
superpijak Loc: Middle TN
 
Nightski wrote:
Yes, but I will have to send you something for them .. give me a fair price. :-)


Let me verify condition when I get home this evening.

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Aug 6, 2015 13:55:57   #
Darkroom317 Loc: Mishawaka, IN
 
Nightski wrote:
Peter .. this thought occurred to me as soon as I loaded my first roll ... I have a set ISO. I have another question as well. Can I change lenses in the middle of a roll of film without exposing the film?


Yes, the shutter keeps the film in darkness just like the sensor of a digital camera.

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Aug 6, 2015 14:02:41   #
Nightski
 
Oh good ... because yesterday I changed a lens and then had a little panic attack. :shock:

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Aug 6, 2015 14:04:53   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Nightski wrote:
Peter .. this thought occurred to me as soon as I loaded my first roll ... I have a set ISO. I have another question as well. Can I change lenses in the middle of a roll of film without exposing the film?


Lens changing is not a problem, the film area is behind the shutter and light proof unless the camera has a faulty seal...

It is a good question and needs to be asked, but the whole idea of interchangeble lens cameras/SLRs and so on would never have worked if the film would be compromised by changing a lens....

It is really interesting how much "knowledge" we consider to be obvious, until we start learning from a different place or point in time that doesn't require certain pieces of information. Or talking with people that have not been on the same journeys....

It really helps support the concept that there really are very few dumb questions, but plenty of stupid answers....

I think you are going to have so much fun with this project...

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Aug 6, 2015 14:36:51   #
Nightski
 
Peterff wrote:
Lens changing is not a problem, the film area is behind the shutter and light proof unless the camera has a faulty seal...

It is a good question and needs to be asked, but the whole idea of interchangeble lens cameras/SLRs and so on would never have worked if the film would be compromised by changing a lens....

It is really interesting how much "knowledge" we consider to be obvious, until we start learning from a different place or point in time that doesn't require certain pieces of information. Or talking with people that have not been on the same journeys....

It really helps support the concept that there really are very few dumb questions, but plenty of stupid answers....

I think you are going to have so much fun with this project...
Lens changing is not a problem, the film area is b... (show quote)


Yes, like relying on my live view to see where my exposure is at. I really struggled with the proper exposure before I got my 6D. I had a Rebel XTI digital and it didn't have live view. I didn't understand that having my meter at 0 was not necessarily the correct exposure. I also didn't understand that sometimes I would have to make choices about which part of the picture I was exposing for. Now I do understand that, but proper exposure will again become an issue for me. I did pretty well with that first roll of color film, but I didn't have any really challenging exposure situations. This is going to be interesting for sure.

I know .. if it is sunny and you have your aperture at f/16, then your ISO and shutter should be the same .. right? And then you go from there. But it depends on what you want to expose for .. what if I am willing to let the highlights blow a little .. or let the shadows go black .. where is that spot on this camera? It will be a whole new learning experience. It was helpful to know that it's less dangerous to ETTR with film.

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Aug 6, 2015 14:39:42   #
corryhully Loc: liverpool uk
 
It is great to see so many film related comments. Feeling really at
Home now :)

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Aug 6, 2015 14:44:52   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Nightski wrote:
Yes, like relying on my live view to see where my exposure is at. I really struggled with the proper exposure before I got my 6D. I had a Rebel XTI digital and it didn't have live view. I didn't understand that having my meter at 0 was not necessarily the correct exposure. I also didn't understand that sometimes I would have to make choices about which part of the picture I was exposing for. Now I do understand that, but proper exposure will again become an issue for me. I did pretty well with that first roll of color film, but I didn't have any really challenging exposure situations. This is going to be interesting for sure.

I know .. if it is sunny and you have your aperture at f/16, then your ISO and shutter should be the same .. right? And then you go from there. But it depends on what you want to expose for .. what if I am willing to let the highlights blow a little .. or let the shadows go black .. where is that spot on this camera? It will be a whole new learning experience. It was helpful to know that it's less dangerous to ETTR with film.
Yes, like relying on my live view to see where my ... (show quote)


Sandra,

You have the right kind of brain for this, you seem to just have a natural talent, irrepressible curiosity to push the limits and the ability to ask the right questions...

Also, you just go out there and do things...

Fancy running for President??? :-D :-D

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