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Aug 4, 2015 21:20:07   #
Kuzano
 
blackest wrote:
http://www.facebook.com/groups/caffenol/

The posts on there may help feed your intrigue.
Not so sure about drinking the developer, the coffee that is, not the mix, as generally speaking the worst coffee makes the best developer. it's mixed with washing soda and i think citric acid or vitamin C (these are not the same thing) the last is often available in health food stores. you still need a fixer which you will need to get from a photographic supply shop.


And washing soda is not baking soda, although some people heat baking soda in an oven to create washing soda.

Most swimming pool supply stores sell actual washing soda, and it is available in some other retail locations. Pool supply appears to be most likely.

Read the blogs carefully. Folgers is a central theme of the process,,, at any Folgers price. Some have used other coffees.

I'm working on a process I call PB&J... Thinned out Peanut Butter and grape Jelly. Strawberry Jam creates too much grain look.

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Aug 4, 2015 21:27:04   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Kuzano wrote:
And washing soda is not baking soda, although some people heat baking soda in an oven to create washing soda.

Most swimming pool supply stores sell actual washing soda, and it is available in some other retail locations. Pool supply appears to be most likely.

Read the blogs carefully. Folgers is a central theme of the process,,, at any Folgers price. Some have used other coffees.

I'm working on a process I call PB&J... Thinned out Peanut Butter and grape Jelly. Strawberry Jam creates too much grain look.
And washing soda is not baking soda, although some... (show quote)


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Aug 4, 2015 22:56:03   #
kb6kgx Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
Darkroom317 wrote:
Walgreens will not return negatives.


WHAT??? What do you mean they don’t return your negatives? What do they DO with them?

When I shoot film, I take it to a local camera store that does has their own photo lab in the back. I can get prints (if I want them, but I don’t because it’s $15 for the prints) and/or a CD (which is usually how I go), AND they give me my negatives.

I can’t imagine why Walgreen’s keeps your negatives.

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Aug 4, 2015 23:05:26   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
With film the fundamental limit of resolution is the grain size of the film. All the light that can physically pass through a grain originates over a range of object distances that straddle the object plane of focus. Most optics textbooks derive the formulas to calculate those distances. I used to have a document that listed the film grain sizes. If you scan at a lines per inch that exceeds the film grain size, then by definition you will lose image resolution. The developed film should be in your possession. I am leery of Walgreen, Walmart clerks being particularily cognizant of acanning detail. Do our digital sensors have a feature that acts like a film grain? I have toyed with the idea that dividing the number of pixels into the area of the sensor would be the equivalent of grain size, but that is too simple I fear. A pixel is a cluster of bits which are solid state electronic sites for the storage of an electron and the spacing of those charge 'wells' are limited by the quantum mechanical uncertainy principle. So the actual 'structure' of the sensor would define the equivalent grain size.

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Aug 4, 2015 23:33:44   #
Darkroom317 Loc: Mishawaka, IN
 
kb6kgx wrote:
WHAT??? What do you mean they don’t return your negatives? What do they DO with them?

When I shoot film, I take it to a local camera store that does has their own photo lab in the back. I can get prints (if I want them, but I don’t because it’s $15 for the prints) and/or a CD (which is usually how I go), AND they give me my negatives.

I can’t imagine why Walgreen’s keeps your negatives.


Many branches send out for processing. The stores do not want to pay return shipping. The negatives are scanned and then destroyed.

http://www.apug.org/forums/forum390/139537-walgreens-film-users-beware-your-negatives-will-destroyed.html

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Aug 4, 2015 23:52:41   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
blackest wrote:
I'll restrict myself to photo processing and the CD. I'm pretty sure walgreens has a policy of not returning negatives and you will want them.

Basically the way prints are produced is via scanning so the cd is kind of a byproduct as they have to scan to print.

The problem is that they only scan at a low resolution since they aim at 6 by 4 or 7 by 5 prints.

You want a big enlargement, the disk will have such low resolution you will not be able to get a decent enlargement the negatives will be needed. in theory the fuji frontier developing system can scan at high resolution (it is set low in order to maximise throughput, i read the manual :) ). You will be lucky to find an operator who knows how to change the resolution of the scan.

The resolution of film is comparable to a full frame DSLR I'm not going to venture an opinion which is better. Slower iso film has less grain than the faster 400 iso film.

It may be worth shooting slide film which results in a positive image, if you can buy it and get it processed. Reason being is that color negative film has an orange filter which varies from brand to brand. This makes scanning a major pain as you try to get the balance right. You may find somewhere who will scan at a high resolution which will save you a lot of work.

Don't get 1 hour service ideally you want the developed negatives hard before getting prints. if the negative is soft its more likely you will get scratched negatives back from the processor. The negative should be properly dry before handling.

If you have slides you can use a slide digitizer, (can do negatives but black&white negatives are a lot easier to get right than color) but be careful these attach to a camera but if you have a crop sensor you will only get the center of the frame. Alternatively you could project your slides and photograph the projection. Most non pro scanners are very slow and dust is your enemy.

You can do your own developing i did as a kid, as well as conventional dark room chemicals ,there is a coffee based process available called cathenol this works for black & white and color as a brown monochrome. Color processing is a lot more precise and tricky but Darkroom equipment goes for peanuts these days...

Have fun
I'll restrict myself to photo processing and the C... (show quote)


Actually most scanners come with scanning software that scans (orange masked) color negatives fine. They give a well balanced positive (as long as the negatives were good to begin with and have not color shifted due to age). What is next to impossible is to copy a color negative with a digital camera and then try to reverse and get a balanced positive. But I understand it can be done. Slides are relatively easy though I've only done it a few times.

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Aug 5, 2015 01:07:04   #
grandkids6
 
I have shot with film all of my life, when I moved over to digital
I had a tuff time with it, I miss my film camera...I understood what I was doing and how to take a great photo...not so much anymore. I am still learning and hope I get the photos I did with my film camera

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Aug 5, 2015 02:37:15   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
Interesting Nightski!

You opened up a can-o-worms there didn't you?

Just have fun...try and use the sunny 16 rules for even more fun and confidence.

Just a thought; how about shooting black and white and developing your own?

It's not as difficult as it sounds and you can even make it simpler with a "monobath" (only one chemical used and not a lot of fussing around with it.)

Here is a video about how to do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxfTknfQuv8

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Aug 5, 2015 04:45:28   #
corryhully Loc: liverpool uk
 
Michael Hartley wrote:
Reading all this information, makes me want to do it. I've got some of the stuff, OM-1, B & W film, filters, CanoScan powered negative scanner, 44 inch printer, pearl metallic media, also some questions, while we're on the subject...

All the videos show using Folgers coffee, does dollar store coffee work?

The vitamin C powder, is that the same as plain citric acid? Have citric acid.

Fixer powder, have a shelf life once opened, or just get liquid?

RCan you use the red light while loading the developer?

Thanks
Reading all this information, makes me want to do ... (show quote)



The cheaper coffee tends to work the best. I certainly would not want to drink the stuff. Vitamin c is ascorbic acid. The powdered variety can be bought from health food stores or ebay. Fixer . I often use sodium thiosulphate. Plain hypo although the rapid type works fine.
Do not exposure negatives to red light.

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Aug 5, 2015 12:57:15   #
huskyrider705 Loc: Phenix City, Alabama
 
Nightski wrote:
Thanks Bob, here is an image from my first roll. I was just keeping it simple at first. Kodak 400 something or another film.

Wow! Very nice Nightski!

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Aug 5, 2015 16:06:26   #
Michael Hartley Loc: Deer Capital of Georgia
 
The 'monobath', sounds like the ticket. Just ordered a new/old stock, developing container. Thanks!

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Aug 5, 2015 23:10:29   #
Nightski
 
rpavich wrote:
Interesting Nightski!

You opened up a can-o-worms there didn't you?

Just have fun...try and use the sunny 16 rules for even more fun and confidence.

Just a thought; how about shooting black and white and developing your own?

It's not as difficult as it sounds and you can even make it simpler with a "monobath" (only one chemical used and not a lot of fussing around with it.)

Here is a video about how to do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxfTknfQuv8
Interesting Nightski! br br You opened up a can-o... (show quote)


Hi Rappyvich! :-D You will love this youtube video then!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVGkaYlt1Sg

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Aug 5, 2015 23:12:52   #
Nightski
 
John_F wrote:
With film the fundamental limit of resolution is the grain size of the film. All the light that can physically pass through a grain originates over a range of object distances that straddle the object plane of focus. Most optics textbooks derive the formulas to calculate those distances. I used to have a document that listed the film grain sizes. If you scan at a lines per inch that exceeds the film grain size, then by definition you will lose image resolution. The developed film should be in your possession. I am leery of Walgreen, Walmart clerks being particularily cognizant of acanning detail. Do our digital sensors have a feature that acts like a film grain? I have toyed with the idea that dividing the number of pixels into the area of the sensor would be the equivalent of grain size, but that is too simple I fear. A pixel is a cluster of bits which are solid state electronic sites for the storage of an electron and the spacing of those charge 'wells' are limited by the quantum mechanical uncertainy principle. So the actual 'structure' of the sensor would define the equivalent grain size.
With film the fundamental limit of resolution is t... (show quote)


Your thoughts on noise vs grain here are quite interesting John. Thank you for sharing.

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Aug 5, 2015 23:13:40   #
Nightski
 
Kuzano wrote:

I'm working on a process I call PB&J... Thinned out Peanut Butter and grape Jelly. Strawberry Jam creates too much grain look.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

I've done some reading and research on youtube. I think I might like to try developing a b&w. I think the thing that will be the hardest is removing the film in the dark and loading into that developing wheel without mucking it up. How do you do that in the dark? I have a feeling that doing it will bring all kinds of revelations. :shock:

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Aug 5, 2015 23:23:49   #
Nightski
 
BigWahoo wrote:
I don't know if anyone posted this; I got tired of reading all the posts.

You can have a high quality lab develop your film, or send them your negatives/slides, and have it scanned in high resolution on a drum scanner.

You can also have it scanned in raw format.
Edit: I should of said a raw scan not raw format.

There are several good labs in the U.S.

Just google high res/drum scanner.


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