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Mar 24, 2012 02:45:45   #
Guy Johnstone Loc: Ocean Shores WA
 
I replaced my long loved Mac book with the new MacBook Pro. I had the MacBook for 6 years. Most of which were trouble-free. The only problem I had in 6 years. A new defective external hard drive damaged my logic board. I checked the computer in on Sunday morning to have it looked at it they said it needed a logic board and that I would have to leave it. My experience with Windows-based serviced machines would've meant and it would have been without a computer for the better part of the week. Apple called me Sunday afternoon. Best service ever!! Most of the Nikons software work in a reduced capacity. The print dialog box It is a bit reduced compared to Windows and periodically I hit the Function key instead of the Control key and vice a versa and that up until now has been about the extent of my complaining. I upgraded to Snow Leopard about midway through the MacBook six-year life. Initially when I bought my MacBook I bought Adobe CS 3. Design Premium It was the 1st version of Adobe to run on the Intel processor Macs it worked great with both Mac operating systems. I skip CS 4 and upgraded to CS 5 Design Standard mostly for the content aware in Photoshop. Design premium has Flash and Dreamweaver. The plan was to save a few bucks and to continue CS3 versions of Dreamweaver and flash. Everything was fine until my MacBook had to be replaced. My new MacBook Pro comes with the lion operating system installed. The problem is and I think it's a big problem, my $1500 Adobe CS 3 design standard is not supported on my new $1800 MacBook Pro. CS 3 was pulled from the shelves in late 2008 and early 2009. OS 10 lion hit the shelves in July 2011. So you could spend up to $1800, depending on what the incarnation of CS 3 you purchase, for an high end suite that could be functionally obsolete in 3 years. I think a 3 year service life for products of this expense is pretty chintzy. I'm not sure who I'm most angry with Mac or Adobe I'm sure it was a team decision. I'm hoping that one of them will come up with the patch. For now they say Not. BIG rip-off.
Has anyone here had to deal with this situation? More importantly does anyone have a solution?

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Mar 24, 2012 03:15:42   #
randymoe
 
Obviously Mac is not the best, but neither is Windows. They both give up on legacy (what a term!) product every few years.

I love all the discarded software and hardware we endure. I junk computers, scanners, printers, and storage every couple years as they are no longer supported.

What happened to Zip drives and SCSI? Firewre is nearly dead.

Even CRT monitors will soon be history.

There is no solution other than constant upgrade.

Welcome to the digital wasteland!



Tonight I am going to download Photoshop CS6 and LR 4 or my new Nikon D800 camera Raw files will be unusable.

Cheers



Guy Johnstone wrote:
I replaced my long loved Mac book with the new MacBook Pro. I had the MacBook for 6 years. Most of which were trouble-free. The only problem I had in 6 years. A new defective external hard drive damaged my logic board. I checked the computer in on Sunday morning to have it looked at it they said it needed a logic board and that I would have to leave it. My experience with Windows-based serviced machines would've meant and it would have been without a computer for the better part of the week. Apple called me Sunday afternoon. Best service ever!! Most of the Nikons software work in a reduced capacity. The print dialog box It is a bit reduced compared to Windows and periodically I hit the Function key instead of the Control key and vice a versa and that up until now has been about the extent of my complaining. I upgraded to Snow Leopard about midway through the MacBook six-year life. Initially when I bought my MacBook I bought Adobe CS 3. Design Premium It was the 1st version of Adobe to run on the Intel processor Macs it worked great with both Mac operating systems. I skip CS 4 and upgraded to CS 5 Design Standard mostly for the content aware in Photoshop. Design premium has Flash and Dreamweaver. The plan was to save a few bucks and to continue CS3 versions of Dreamweaver and flash. Everything was fine until my MacBook had to be replaced. My new MacBook Pro comes with the lion operating system installed. The problem is and I think it's a big problem, my $1500 Adobe CS 3 design standard is not supported on my new $1800 MacBook Pro. CS 3 was pulled from the shelves in late 2008 and early 2009. OS 10 lion hit the shelves in July 2011. So you could spend up to $1800, depending on what the incarnation of CS 3 you purchase, for an high end suite that could be functionally obsolete in 3 years. I think a 3 year service life for products of this expense is pretty chintzy. I'm not sure who I'm most angry with Mac or Adobe I'm sure it was a team decision. I'm hoping that one of them will come up with the patch. For now they say Not. BIG rip-off.
Has anyone here had to deal with this situation? More importantly does anyone have a solution?
I replaced my long loved Mac book with the new Mac... (show quote)

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Mar 24, 2012 14:32:49   #
Guy Johnstone Loc: Ocean Shores WA
 
Well I certainly don't miss zip drives and SCSI . It won't be long and FireWire will be gone as well. Thunderbolt promises to be much faster. These are hardware advancements you expect to see that.

In this case we are not talking about a technological breakthrough, or for that matter even a slight improvement. From what I've seen of Mac's new Lion operating system it's as buggy as well Microsoft Windows Vista.

I think it's just plain mean-spirited that part of Adobe's flagship creative suite won't work after 3 years only. I understand that there are always going to be glitches with new software releases, but that's what updates are for. From what I understand from Raj at technical support, Adobe does not intend to issue any further updates for CS 3. This all seems a bit strong-armed to me. If you are a professional web developer using Adobe Dreamweaver CS 3 and are forced to upgrade to Mac's Lion operating system you will also be forced to upgrade to Dreamweaver CS 5.5 you won't even be able to wait a month or 2 for Dreamweaver CS 6. This all comes after the demise of Microsoft's FrontPage, Microsoft's longtime web editing program.

At one time Adobe's programs were extremely durable. Even now, if I could find my original copy of Photoshop 3, not CS 3, I know for a fact it would work with XP and maybe even Windows 7. Adobe's main thrusts now seems to be new product development. Every couple of weeks I get a new e-mail.

I guess I should just shut up and send them the money. For a professional publisher/editor to not use Adobe products would be like a professional mechanic showing up with something other than Snap On Tools. It's just not done.

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Mar 24, 2012 14:53:16   #
randymoe
 
I have plenty of Snap-On tools...

Used, they are worth, on a good day, 10 cents on the dollar. I will never sell them.

But, they will always work!


Guy Johnstone wrote:
Well I certainly don't miss zip drives and SCSI . It won't be long and FireWire will be gone as well. Thunderbolt promises to be much faster. These are hardware advancements you expect to see that.

In this case we are not talking about a technological breakthrough, or for that matter even a slight improvement. From what I've seen of Mac's new Lion operating system it's as buggy as well Microsoft Windows Vista.

I think it's just plain mean-spirited that part of Adobe's flagship creative suite won't work after 3 years only. I understand that there are always going to be glitches with new software releases, but that's what updates are for. From what I understand from Raj at technical support, Adobe does not intend to issue any further updates for CS 3. This all seems a bit strong-armed to me. If you are a professional web developer using Adobe Dreamweaver CS 3 and are forced to upgrade to Mac's Lion operating system you will also be forced to upgrade to Dreamweaver CS 5.5 you won't even be able to wait a month or 2 for Dreamweaver CS 6. This all comes after the demise of Microsoft's FrontPage, Microsoft's longtime web editing program.

At one time Adobe's programs were extremely durable. Even now, if I could find my original copy of Photoshop 3, not CS 3, I know for a fact it would work with XP and maybe even Windows 7. Adobe's main thrusts now seems to be new product development. Every couple of weeks I get a new e-mail.

I guess I should just shut up and send them the money. For a professional publisher/editor to not use Adobe products would be like a professional mechanic showing up with something other than Snap On Tools. It's just not done.
Well I certainly don't miss zip drives and SCSI . ... (show quote)

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Mar 25, 2012 07:41:27   #
KDyar Loc: North Carolina
 
Guy Johnstone wrote:
I replaced my long loved Mac book with the new MacBook Pro. I had the MacBook for 6 years. Most of which were trouble-free. The only problem I had in 6 years. A new defective external hard drive damaged my logic board. I checked the computer in on Sunday morning to have it looked at it they said it needed a logic board and that I would have to leave it. My experience with Windows-based serviced machines would've meant and it would have been without a computer for the better part of the week. Apple called me Sunday afternoon. Best service ever!! Most of the Nikons software work in a reduced capacity. The print dialog box It is a bit reduced compared to Windows and periodically I hit the Function key instead of the Control key and vice a versa and that up until now has been about the extent of my complaining. I upgraded to Snow Leopard about midway through the MacBook six-year life. Initially when I bought my MacBook I bought Adobe CS 3. Design Premium It was the 1st version of Adobe to run on the Intel processor Macs it worked great with both Mac operating systems. I skip CS 4 and upgraded to CS 5 Design Standard mostly for the content aware in Photoshop. Design premium has Flash and Dreamweaver. The plan was to save a few bucks and to continue CS3 versions of Dreamweaver and flash. Everything was fine until my MacBook had to be replaced. My new MacBook Pro comes with the lion operating system installed. The problem is and I think it's a big problem, my $1500 Adobe CS 3 design standard is not supported on my new $1800 MacBook Pro. CS 3 was pulled from the shelves in late 2008 and early 2009. OS 10 lion hit the shelves in July 2011. So you could spend up to $1800, depending on what the incarnation of CS 3 you purchase, for an high end suite that could be functionally obsolete in 3 years. I think a 3 year service life for products of this expense is pretty chintzy. I'm not sure who I'm most angry with Mac or Adobe I'm sure it was a team decision. I'm hoping that one of them will come up with the patch. For now they say Not. BIG rip-off.
Has anyone here had to deal with this situation? More importantly does anyone have a solution?
I replaced my long loved Mac book with the new Mac... (show quote)


Have you looked into upgrading from CS 3 to CS5?

CS5.5 design Premium upgrade from $399.00 or just the Photoshop CS5 up grade for $199.00
http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite.html

I had not planned to upgrade from PS CS3 but CS5 had some great new features so I upgraded as soon as I could - and I had to get a new Mac to run it. My old Power PC (new in 2004 and still running great) could not run the new software which required the Intel chip.

Adobie's upgrade path is very good and cheaper than paying the $1800 that you mention.

I hope this helps, Best wishes.

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Mar 25, 2012 08:35:16   #
Fat Gregory Loc: Southern New Jersey
 
Buy an external hard drive and install Snow Leopard and your photo shop s/w. When you want to use Photoshop go to System Preferences and boot from your external.

Apple announced Lion specs years ago and every developer had to choose to upgrade or not. Apple dropped support for the IBM produced G5 processor that had been replaced by Intel years ago.

I hope the external drive solves your problem... At least its a sub $150 solution.

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Mar 25, 2012 09:33:41   #
PhotoArtsLA Loc: Boynton Beach
 
I am typing on an ancient PowerBook G4 (which has about 250,000 flight miles on it) on vacation in Florida, and I miss CS5 a LOT, stuck here with CS2. With After Effects, the CS5 Full-on suite is about $2,500. Also the newer OSX is missed, slower to review images and docs. Moving forward with the times brings advantages. Were I stuck with a PC, I'd have Paint Shop Pro on it. I do not like Photoshop on a PC. Neither does 99% of the publishing world with which I have been dealing for 25+ years.

That said, and more on point, doing a dual boot system is no problem. The Mac will boot from an external drive. This often solves vexing software issues, including that of this thread.

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Mar 25, 2012 11:38:40   #
camera-obscura
 
Guy Johnstone wrote:
I replaced my long loved Mac book with the new MacBook Pro. I had the MacBook for 6 years. Most of which were trouble-free. The only problem I had in 6 years. A new defective external hard drive damaged my logic board. I checked the computer in on Sunday morning to have it looked at it they said it needed a logic board and that I would have to leave it. My experience with Windows-based serviced machines would've meant and it would have been without a computer for the better part of the week. Apple called me Sunday afternoon. Best service ever!! Most of the Nikons software work in a reduced capacity. The print dialog box It is a bit reduced compared to Windows and periodically I hit the Function key instead of the Control key and vice a versa and that up until now has been about the extent of my complaining. I upgraded to Snow Leopard about midway through the MacBook six-year life. Initially when I bought my MacBook I bought Adobe CS 3. Design Premium It was the 1st version of Adobe to run on the Intel processor Macs it worked great with both Mac operating systems. I skip CS 4 and upgraded to CS 5 Design Standard mostly for the content aware in Photoshop. Design premium has Flash and Dreamweaver. The plan was to save a few bucks and to continue CS3 versions of Dreamweaver and flash. Everything was fine until my MacBook had to be replaced. My new MacBook Pro comes with the lion operating system installed. The problem is and I think it's a big problem, my $1500 Adobe CS 3 design standard is not supported on my new $1800 MacBook Pro. CS 3 was pulled from the shelves in late 2008 and early 2009. OS 10 lion hit the shelves in July 2011. So you could spend up to $1800, depending on what the incarnation of CS 3 you purchase, for an high end suite that could be functionally obsolete in 3 years. I think a 3 year service life for products of this expense is pretty chintzy. I'm not sure who I'm most angry with Mac or Adobe I'm sure it was a team decision. I'm hoping that one of them will come up with the patch. For now they say Not. BIG rip-off.
Has anyone here had to deal with this situation? More importantly does anyone have a solution?
I replaced my long loved Mac book with the new Mac... (show quote)

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It would be easier and cheaper to get another drive (external) and install a version of Leopard or Snow Leopard on it and boot off that drive when you have to work with Adobe products not compatible with Lion. I have a 230 Gig external pocket drive where I partitioned it into several 10 or 20 GB volumes. I installed different older versions of OS on them and also put whatever compatible version of an application that I need that will not work with Lion. Then I boot up with the older version of the OS when I need to use that particular application.

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Mar 25, 2012 14:43:32   #
Guy Johnstone Loc: Ocean Shores WA
 
I guess I'm not making my point. It simply seems to me that the product should be supported for more than 3 years. If technical support is not provided by the software manufacturer, it would be to the computer's manufacturer advantage that their operating system would be compatible with such a high-end and recent program.

I back up my laptop with TM once a week or much more often if I'm using it a lot. It's part of a wireless network with the Mac Pro at the heart. The Mac Pro runs Snow Leopard and Windows XP. On that I have both CS 3 and CS 5 installed.

Adding an external hard drive to a laptop seems kind of awkward. It nullifies the whole portability thing. That said if I had no other option, I suppose I would have to look into that. I think I might first consider backdating the operating system on the new laptop to Snow Leopard. The obvious consideration there would be that, Adobe's next release probably won't be supported with Snow Leopard.

It seems to me that at one time both these manufacturers had more respect for their clientele. It's kind of ironic that has their client base expands, their product value contracts.

The good news is I believe this trend is reversible. I mention it here not as a rant but more as a rally. We need to hold these manufacturers to a higher standard. If an auto manufacturer quit selling replacement parts for one of their vehicles only 3 years after it left the showroom floor the class-action lawsuit would be international news. I'm well aware that even the full blown version of CS 3 cost far less than a new automobile, but I suspect the profit margin on CS3 was much higher then a new Corvette. The least they can do for their money is make sure the damn thing works for more than 3 years.

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Mar 25, 2012 14:57:46   #
drsurf
 
I just had 2 older Macs fatally crash, hd's ok. Got an I-mac for video/photo editing and a mini-mac for home. Both older computers had software upgrades as high as the processor could handle. So now having to jump upgrades/drivers on both has taken two days. An Epson printer I bought in November does not have drivers yet. We are definitely on a merry-go-round with hard/software.

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Mar 25, 2012 15:03:59   #
cacompton
 
I have CS3 and it works with Lion on my system. Could it be the extras in the Design Premium causing the problem?

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Mar 25, 2012 15:38:20   #
Guy Johnstone Loc: Ocean Shores WA
 
cacompton wrote:
I have CS3 and it works with Lion on my system. Could it be the extras in the Design Premium causing the problem?


Part of it works on mine also but not Dream Weaver. I called Adobe technical support and they said they no longer support CS3. Also your pre-Intel programs will no longer work with Lion. Rosetta, The program that is used to operate pre-Intel programs on Intel machines, cannot be installed on lion. if you have pre-Intel programs you will have to up date the program to use it. if no update is available, then the program is totally obsolete. You will have to install Java runtime For some reason Adobe never bothered to install it. At least there's a fix for that.

These are the problems I ran into the operating system keep in mind of only had about 2 weeks.

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Mar 25, 2012 15:59:22   #
Guy Johnstone Loc: Ocean Shores WA
 
PhotoArtsLA wrote:
I am typing on an ancient PowerBook G4 (which has about 250,000 flight miles on it) on vacation in Florida, and I miss CS5 a LOT, stuck here with CS2. With After Effects, the CS5 Full-on suite is about $2,500. Also the newer OSX is missed, slower to review images and docs. Moving forward with the times brings advantages. Were I stuck with a PC, I'd have Paint Shop Pro on it. I do not like Photoshop on a PC. Neither does 99% of the publishing world with which I have been dealing for 25+ years.

That said, and more on point, doing a dual boot system is no problem. The Mac will boot from an external drive. This often solves vexing software issues, including that of this thread.
I am typing on an ancient PowerBook G4 (which has ... (show quote)


I work with Photoshop on a daily basis on both Mac and XP operating systems, I haven't really noticed that much of a difference once the programs open. Most of the work I do is for publication; nothing fancy, mostly ads online and in mostly regional magazines. 10 or 15 years ago there was a marked preference for the Mac operating systems for publication. It doesn't seem to have been much of an issue for the last 5 years or so. Do you think that could be because of the shift away from print?

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Mar 25, 2012 16:29:44   #
Artsmith Loc: Grayson, Georgia
 
Same thing happened with Microsoft Office for Mac. Had to buy newer version to work with Lion OS.

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Mar 25, 2012 17:02:26   #
Guy Johnstone Loc: Ocean Shores WA
 
camera-obscura wrote:
Guy Johnstone wrote:
I replaced my long loved Mac book with the new MacBook Pro. I had the MacBook for 6 years. Most of which were trouble-free. The only problem I had in 6 years. A new defective external hard drive damaged my logic board. I checked the computer in on Sunday morning to have it looked at it they said it needed a logic board and that I would have to leave it. My experience with Windows-based serviced machines would've meant and it would have been without a computer for the better part of the week. Apple called me Sunday afternoon. Best service ever!! Most of the Nikons software work in a reduced capacity. The print dialog box It is a bit reduced compared to Windows and periodically I hit the Function key instead of the Control key and vice a versa and that up until now has been about the extent of my complaining. I upgraded to Snow Leopard about midway through the MacBook six-year life. Initially when I bought my MacBook I bought Adobe CS 3. Design Premium It was the 1st version of Adobe to run on the Intel processor Macs it worked great with both Mac operating systems. I skip CS 4 and upgraded to CS 5 Design Standard mostly for the content aware in Photoshop. Design premium has Flash and Dreamweaver. The plan was to save a few bucks and to continue CS3 versions of Dreamweaver and flash. Everything was fine until my MacBook had to be replaced. My new MacBook Pro comes with the lion operating system installed. The problem is and I think it's a big problem, my $1500 Adobe CS 3 design standard is not supported on my new $1800 MacBook Pro. CS 3 was pulled from the shelves in late 2008 and early 2009. OS 10 lion hit the shelves in July 2011. So you could spend up to $1800, depending on what the incarnation of CS 3 you purchase, for an high end suite that could be functionally obsolete in 3 years. I think a 3 year service life for products of this expense is pretty chintzy. I'm not sure who I'm most angry with Mac or Adobe I'm sure it was a team decision. I'm hoping that one of them will come up with the patch. For now they say Not. BIG rip-off.
Has anyone here had to deal with this situation? More importantly does anyone have a solution?
I replaced my long loved Mac book with the new Mac... (show quote)

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It would be easier and cheaper to get another drive (external) and install a version of Leopard or Snow Leopard on it and boot off that drive when you have to work with Adobe products not compatible with Lion. I have a 230 Gig external pocket drive where I partitioned it into several 10 or 20 GB volumes. I installed different older versions of OS on them and also put whatever compatible version of an application that I need that will not work with Lion. Then I boot up with the older version of the OS when I need to use that particular application.
quote=Guy Johnstone I replaced my long loved Mac ... (show quote)


How do chose which HD you are booting from?

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