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Mar 25, 2015 07:27:30   #
rogerl Loc: UK (Harrogate, North Yorkshire)
 
Grandson’s school put on a show of Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. It was in the school hall with high-level windows and most of the blinds were drawn so the light was not good. I took my new D7100 with Nikon 18-200 VR (not the new one). I set ISO to Auto with a maximum of 2500. I’m reasonably pleased with the results. The shot of grandson is at 2500 while for the Joesph shot the camera has used 500; these are straight out of the camera - no PP.


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Mar 25, 2015 07:47:25   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
rogerl wrote:
Grandson’s school put on a show of Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. It was in the school hall with high-level windows and most of the blinds were drawn so the light was not good. I took my new D7100 with Nikon 18-200 VR (not the new one). I set ISO to Auto with a maximum of 2500. I’m reasonably pleased with the results. The shot of grandson is at 2500 while for the Joesph shot the camera has used 500; these are straight out of the camera - no PP.

Not bad at all. In a situation like that, shooting raw (NEF) would give you more leeway in processing.

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Mar 25, 2015 08:13:09   #
rogerl Loc: UK (Harrogate, North Yorkshire)
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Not bad at all. In a situation like that, shooting raw (NEF) would give you more leeway in processing.


Up to now I've always shot JPEG. I haven't yet ventured into RAW with the D7100 but intend to do so.

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Mar 25, 2015 08:28:36   #
Jim Bob
 
rogerl wrote:
Grandson’s school put on a show of Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. It was in the school hall with high-level windows and most of the blinds were drawn so the light was not good. I took my new D7100 with Nikon 18-200 VR (not the new one). I set ISO to Auto with a maximum of 2500. I’m reasonably pleased with the results. The shot of grandson is at 2500 while for the Joesph shot the camera has used 500; these are straight out of the camera - no PP.

Good color rendition, but photos appear slightly out of focus on this monitor.

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Mar 25, 2015 08:33:21   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
There is some noise in the photos at a high ISO like this and you can use post processing software to reduce the noise. This type photography is better suited for full frame cameras as they produce less noise at higher ISO settings.

rogerl wrote:
Grandson’s school put on a show of Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. It was in the school hall with high-level windows and most of the blinds were drawn so the light was not good. I took my new D7100 with Nikon 18-200 VR (not the new one). I set ISO to Auto with a maximum of 2500. I’m reasonably pleased with the results. The shot of grandson is at 2500 while for the Joesph shot the camera has used 500; these are straight out of the camera - no PP.

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Mar 25, 2015 08:37:38   #
Jim Bob
 
Brucej67 wrote:
There is some noise in the photos at a high ISO like this and you can use post processing software to reduce the noise. This type photography is better suited for full frame cameras as they produce less noise at higher ISO settings.


I agree that noise can create a softening effect, but I would not expect it to be especially prominent at ISO 500 with the D7100. At least that is my experience. I have excellent (sharp) shots at 800-1200 ISO.

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Mar 25, 2015 09:08:18   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
I totally agree. I have the D7100 and below ISO 1300 I don't get noise and the shots are crisp and clear.

Jim Bob wrote:
I agree that noise can create a softening effect, but I would not expect it to be especially prominent at ISO 500 with the D7100. At least that is my experience. I have excellent (sharp) shots at 800-1200 ISO.

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Mar 25, 2015 10:51:07   #
Jim Bob
 
Brucej67 wrote:
I totally agree. I have the D7100 and below ISO 1300 I don't get noise and the shots are crisp and clear.


Right. Ken Rockwell is a controversial photographer, but I agree with his assertion that getting the focus right is one of the most important and challenging aspects of photography. Post-processing can cover a lot of "sins", but I have yet to see a program that can convincingly convert an out of focus image to one that is clearly in focus. You really need to try and get that focus dead on.

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Mar 25, 2015 11:05:33   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
Yes, the original poster said he shot these at ISO 2500 and that is high producing background noise. You see the noise in the first photo better especially blown up. They are still decent photos, however if you went to print them at 8X10 or 11X8.5 the noise would be unacceptable.

Jim Bob wrote:
Right. Ken Rockwell is a controversial photographer, but I agree with his assertion that getting the focus right is one of the most important and challenging aspects of photography. Post-processing can cover a lot of "sins", but I have yet to see a program that can convincingly convert an out of focus image to one that is clearly in focus. You really need to try and get that focus dead on.

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Mar 26, 2015 11:23:54   #
Madman Loc: Gulf Coast, Florida USA
 
rogerl wrote:
Grandson’s school put on a show of Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. It was in the school hall with high-level windows and most of the blinds were drawn so the light was not good. I took my new D7100 with Nikon 18-200 VR (not the new one). I set ISO to Auto with a maximum of 2500. I’m reasonably pleased with the results. The shot of grandson is at 2500 while for the Joesph shot the camera has used 500; these are straight out of the camera - no PP.


Rogerl, just curious about what your HIGH ISO NOISE REDUCTION setting was when you took these. I leave mine on High all the time so I don't have to worry about noise generally. I believe some simple PP would make a big improvement to these - they are pretty good now.

Thanks for sharing - looks like it was a fun night for all.

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Mar 26, 2015 12:17:53   #
rogerl Loc: UK (Harrogate, North Yorkshire)
 
Madman wrote:
Rogerl, just curious about what your HIGH ISO NOISE REDUCTION setting was when you took these. I leave mine on High all the time so I don't have to worry about noise generally. I believe some simple PP would make a big improvement to these - they are pretty good now.

Thanks for sharing - looks like it was a fun night for all.



It was indeed a fun event!
I've had the D7100 only for 12 days & am still learning. I read the instruction book right through (at least there was one even though the print is miniscule). I've now bought my first ever camera guide (I've had cameras for 50 years) - Mastering the Nikon D7100 by Darrell Young- with which I'm very impresssed; I'm on p.128 of 530.
From the instruction book I'd set HIGH ISO NOISE REDUCTION to Low which is also what Young recommends (on p.121) so I've left it there.
I didn't post the photos because of any marvellous quality but merely an illustration for members of shots with high ISO - straight out of the camera. There is, of course, much which could be done with PP but I'm reasonably impressed with the one at 2500 ISO - my D200 (built like a tank, only 26,000 actuations & still going strong) could not have come anywhere close.

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Mar 26, 2015 14:17:57   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
It is a great camera and compares fairly well with my D810 which is better at higher ISO ranges. I use my D7100 as a multiplier for my FX lenses, the 1.5 makes my 80-400mm G lens perform like a 120-600mm lens and if I use the 1.3 format on the camera I get a 156-780mm lens.

rogerl wrote:
It was indeed a fun event!
I've had the D7100 only for 12 days & am still learning. I read the instruction book right through (at least there was one even though the print is miniscule). I've now bought my first ever camera guide (I've had cameras for 50 years) - Mastering the Nikon D7100 by Darrell Young- with which I'm very impresssed; I'm on p.128 of 530.
From the instruction book I'd set HIGH ISO NOISE REDUCTION to Low which is also what Young recommends (on p.121) so I've left it there.
I didn't post the photos because of any marvellous quality but merely an illustration for members of shots with high ISO - straight out of the camera. There is, of course, much which could be done with PP but I'm reasonably impressed with the one at 2500 ISO - my D200 (built like a tank, only 26,000 actuations & still going strong) could not have come anywhere close.
It was indeed a fun event! br I've had the D7100 o... (show quote)

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Mar 26, 2015 19:40:14   #
RICARDOOO Loc: Findlay, Ohio
 
rogerl wrote:
Up to now I've always shot JPEG. I haven't yet ventured into RAW with the D7100 but intend to do so.


RAW is the only way to go...you can always make JPEG in Photoshop and keep the RAW . . . BUT you cannot do it the other way around.
Or put two memory cards in the camera and set one to RAW and the other to JPEG

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