SonnyE Loc: Communist California, USA

Accepted David. And I'm sorry if I got terse.
I'm more of a stand alone guy. Not like the wife and kids.
I still don't try and do much with my pictures. If they are bad, I delete them. There is only myself to blame for shooting craps.
Let's go on from here. ;) :thumbup:
There is always more to learn. :-D

mborn Loc: Massachusetts

Oh everyone get over it!!! It is cheaper for me to pay monthly and have the most up-to date version of LR and PS RESIDING on my computer that it is to wait 1-2 year for a new version and pay $$$ to upgrade. With the subscription model (FORGET THE WORD CLOUD) updates come as a problem has been identified and downloaded to my computer where the program resides. ALSO remember when you got a disk you were still renting it and the program belonged to the creator. read the info that no one reads when you install a program

SonnyE Loc: Communist California, USA

Think so? What makes you think that my updates get installed auto?
I do let Firefox run on full auto because it is constantly updating itself. And I chose to be a feedback person for them. So when it crashes they get a notice.
But other software I choose if and when. But the notification comes in on auto pilot usually.
in Element 12 I just went to the help file and chose to let it check for updates, then ran it.
But folks have to admit, a program that squats a burgeoning 1.6 gigabits on your hard drive is a bit cumbersome. That is the download of Elements 12. And it is a tad sluggish. Even on my desktop which has always been in a sporty state of hardware. I like speed available, but don't use it much.
And my cable Internet is kind of zippy as well.
Basically, I've always been just a step back from the edge. Great views there, without the problems. Now the cable folks are advertizing 300 Mbs here. :roll: (Online gamers drive the need for speed. I'm just sitting in the back seat.)

Anyway, Al, I have always found Adobe a bit like a 25 pound, 3 month old baby. Hard to handle, and tends to do big diaper loadings. :lol:
I think my all time favorite was Photoshop and a Windows program called Picture It. But like Windows 95, and Win 98, they went to way of the Do-Do bird.

Not to worry though, as a solar operator I also have an aversion to real clouds as well. And clouds tend to blow away. 8-)

I hope all is well there in the land of the Kiwi. Beautiful place I hope to one day visit. :thumbup:

altheman Loc: Christchurch, New Zealand

Perhaps I didn't explain it properly When Ps CC and Lr have updates available I get a little pop-up on the desktop telling me so. Then all I have to do is open the Adobe creative cloud app and tell it to to download and install the updates, and like you I let Firefox update automatically.
To update Ps and Lr manually is a pain in the butt and I can do it that way but is much quicker to allow the CC app to do it but only after I have given it permission to do so.
Well if you do manage to get here drop us a line I would be happy to show you around Christchurch and the local area

SonnyE Loc: Communist California, USA

Thank You Al. I would love to be able to take you up on your offer. And it would be a real treat to see your Country with the help of your vision of it.

Having never run LR myself, is it a bit like other programs where you click help and choose to check for updates?
I simply don't do much (or any) PP. I mostly do cropping because my glass is limited and I'm often not getting the image as I would like. Even though I do try to get as full a frame as I can, unless it is a group shot I am after.

altheman Loc: Christchurch, New Zealand

Yes it is and it will take you to the Adobe website and then you sign in find the update download it and then install it, with CC it's just one click for each app and it is done, easy peasy.

marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL

I changed to it several months ago. No problems except some difficulty getting Cloud installed which Adobe walked me through successfully in just a few minutes. You don't have to be online to use Photoshop, only be online once in a while during the month so Adobe can check on you being there. As long as they keep it at $10 a month I'll be there for the long haul. Best choice I've ever made in editing software that I use daily.

Donld

Thanks. After considering many thoughtful responses, I have elected to give the subscription route a try. Isn't this a marvelous forum?

marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL

Some think so. Others think it's a place for no-nothing blowhards (unlike their technically superior selves) to gas off and make things up about nothing of value!

retlaw Loc: Northern New Jersey

Good point. I should have noticed this.

Questions:
1- did they have to lower the price for this CC to work?
2- How fast will the price increase to where they want it?

TheDman Loc: USA

How fast will the price of bread increase?

retlaw Loc: Northern New Jersey

While the two items listed in your reply are not comparable, I get your point: we can’t predict how any price will increase.
Unfortunate for you, you cannot lease a loaf of bread.

Perhaps I was too subtle in making my point; and that is, IMHO the cost of leasing the software will eventually cost more than buying – same as for cars, etc. It may not be today, but it will be tomorrow. Once the CC system is established you will not be able to find the boxed version.

minniev Loc: MIssissippi

This is ONLY my humble opinion:
1- Yes. Though they had targeted this for business/industry where there would be many licenses sold at whatever price, they had not reckoned on the amount of fuss we photographers put up. We balked. We may have hurt them more on the PR side than in the pocketbook. Many well known pros were outspoken about their unwillingness to buy into CC at the bloated price first announced, which made Adobe look bad. There were hard feelings inside Adobe with some of the people who write the software that had objections. There was even talk that one of them might write an alternate program "for photographers" to do what lightroom couldn't. (Maybe he is working on in secretly)

2 - Not very fast. They made enough messes the first time and looked like fools. They tested out various special plans until they found our price point. Because they already know what we will do, they won't risk having to do all that again quickly, though probably eventually they (foolishly) will. Hopefully by then, the other companies who are surely working on alternatives will have something to show for it and the market will take care of itself.

dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl

Very true... However, Adobe states that the current price is for a year from when you sign up so if you sign up now for the $10 package, it will not increase for at least a year.. after that it depends... However, if Adobe has, as they say, more than 3 million subscribers now ( and we don't know how many of those are $10 and how many are $50 and what ever) but 3 mill times those numbers is way more income that Adobe was realizing by any 2 of their last Creative Suite releases and this is monthly not annual. Remember that, When they did (or do) the suite, they have to write the DVDs, print manuals, package, ship to distributers and retailers, and allow pricing in there for them to mark it up and make a profit. With the Cloud, all of the money is theirs. They don't have to share it with anyone. So, they probably won't be to excited about rocking the boat and losing subscribers.. They've had enough trouble fighting the bad PR about the cloud and the nay sayers to begin with.

TheDman Loc: USA

You're not leasing it, you're purchasing a month of use. All depends on how you look at it.