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Jan 31, 2012 10:27:34   #
markfay Loc: Reading England
 
I've spent the last hour refining with this photo I took ten days ago and have so much running through my mind, whether to to tint it, crop it, look for the rule of thirds - on the surfers head, on his kite wires...

My lack of a decision is getting to me.

I'd like to hear any opinions please. These are my three headache giving versions

black and white
black and white...

tinted
tinted...

tinted and cropped
tinted and cropped...

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Jan 31, 2012 10:49:42   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
markfay wrote:
I've spent the last hour refining with this photo I took ten days ago and have so much running through my mind, whether to to tint it, crop it, look for the rule of thirds - on the surfers head, on his kite wires...

My lack of a decision is getting to me.

I'd like to hear any opinions please. These are my three headache giving versions


well sorry I can't do much for your head here - this image....I don't think you can do much to it - sure you can tint it you can crop it you can flip it upside down but there really isn't much here to work with.....

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Jan 31, 2012 11:00:18   #
markfay Loc: Reading England
 
thanks, but of the three which do you think works best?

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Jan 31, 2012 11:02:26   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
markfay wrote:
thanks, but of the three which do you think works best?


well thats a difficult question because i have no clue what your goal is.

were it me and mine i'd dump it and go to the next

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Jan 31, 2012 11:08:21   #
rballard29 Loc: Albuquerque, NM
 
Neither of these. Try A B&W with a crop. If it were mine and I couldn't do anything to make the picture something I liked, I would discard it and forget it or go back again and try something different. P/P is not going to make every picture a winner.

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Jan 31, 2012 11:19:14   #
Jay Pat Loc: Round Rock, Texas, USA
 
I prefer the third one. The guy & wires/cords are easier to see.
If you don't know, makes you ask, what is this guy doing? I would think images don't always make sense.
Since you said what his activity is, I don't think he is going anywhere till he gets out & on top of the water.
So, how does he do that?
Does the kite pull him up?
Looks like there is a technique to do this as it seems the kite could pull you up and over (to the side) at the same time.
This doesn't look easy to me.
I'm staying out of the water...
I'm sticking with #3.
Pat

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Jan 31, 2012 11:29:45   #
markfay Loc: Reading England
 
I liked it and thought it just needed a further tweak here and there, seems I'm in a minority of one. do other people feel the photo doesn't work at all?

cropped b&w
cropped b&w...

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Jan 31, 2012 11:46:09   #
Jay Pat Loc: Round Rock, Texas, USA
 
I like it!! It was interesting to me and I wanted to know more!
Anyone familiar with kite surfing should understand appreciate and enjoy, this image!
It's framed well!
Should be marketed sold and hung in every local eatery and bar where this is a local sport!
Need an agent?
Pat

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Jan 31, 2012 12:05:29   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
Jay Pat wrote:
I like it!! It was interesting to me and I wanted to know more!
Anyone familiar with kite surfing should understand appreciate and enjoy, this image!
It's framed well!
Should be marketed sold and hung in every local eatery and bar where this is a local sport!
Need an agent?
Pat


WHAT????

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Jan 31, 2012 12:22:48   #
Jay Pat Loc: Round Rock, Texas, USA
 
docrob wrote:
Jay Pat wrote:
I like it!! It was interesting to me and I wanted to know more!
Anyone familiar with kite surfing should understand appreciate and enjoy, this image!
It's framed well!
Should be marketed sold and hung in every local eatery and bar where this is a local sport!
Need an agent?
Pat


WHAT????


I like this image.....Did I over do it?

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Jan 31, 2012 12:28:30   #
markfay Loc: Reading England
 
docrop, I'm here to learn, sorry you don't like it. I do. I'd much rather you gave some constructive criticism to me rather than be sarcastic to Jay's opinion which is just as valuable as yours. You haven't at any stage told me what you feel is wrong, simply that I should dump it.

If you don't have anything to offer, please select another topic to which you are more suited.

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Jan 31, 2012 12:38:31   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
markfay wrote:
docrop, I'm here to learn, sorry you don't like it. I do. I'd much rather you gave some constructive criticism to me rather than be sarcastic to Jay's opinion which is just as valuable as yours. You haven't at any stage told me what you feel is wrong, simply that I should dump it.

If you don't have anything to offer, please select another topic to which you are more suited.


Markfay, you are quite correct. I should not be sarcastic but at the same time for some one to tell you that this image is so good it should be on the wall of every bar and resturant in the area that catters to sports folk is nuts! Sorry if that offends you. We pick the judgments that best fit our own......

OK so to make it up I offer serious constructive feedback.
1) you are shooting water on a sunny day you will have numerous specular highlights to contend with 2) these specular highlights are apt to fool your meter so 3) in such situations bracket like crazy 4) the images shows a guy in the water - he is backlit and holding a harness of some sort. Tell me where the interest is for someone who is not a kite guy?

Hope that helps and thank you for calling out my sarcasm.

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Jan 31, 2012 13:03:14   #
markfay Loc: Reading England
 
docrob wrote:
markfay wrote:
docrop, I'm here to learn, sorry you don't like it. I do. I'd much rather you gave some constructive criticism to me rather than be sarcastic to Jay's opinion which is just as valuable as yours. You haven't at any stage told me what you feel is wrong, simply that I should dump it.

If you don't have anything to offer, please select another topic to which you are more suited.


Markfay, you are quite correct. I should not be sarcastic but at the same time for some one to tell you that this image is so good it should be on the wall of every bar and resturant in the area that catters to sports folk is nuts! Sorry if that offends you. We pick the judgments that best fit our own......

OK so to make it up I offer serious constructive feedback.
1) you are shooting water on a sunny day you will have numerous specular highlights to contend with 2) these specular highlights are apt to fool your meter so 3) in such situations bracket like crazy 4) the images shows a guy in the water - he is backlit and holding a harness of some sort. Tell me where the interest is for someone who is not a kite guy?

Hope that helps and thank you for calling out my sarcasm.
quote=markfay docrop, I'm here to learn, sorry yo... (show quote)


thanks docrob. I feel that Jay is entitled to his opinion and that still holds but not nuts. Yeah I know it is not going to end up on walls.

Yes the camera would be fooled. what you are seeing is not the exposure the camera gave. I changed the exposure pp to emphasise what I wanted - the highlights and the blacks. To me the fact it is a kite surfer is somewhat irrelevant and not the issue.

The interest (to me anyway) is that someone is pursuing a hobby against what was quite a wild sea. It didn't matter to me whether it was a surfer, a canoeist or a swimmer. I was was trying to depict 'man against the elements' and tried to emphasise some drama.

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Jan 31, 2012 13:36:49   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
For what it's worth, I'd stick with the first B/W. The tint does nothing for it. It doesn't look natural with water. If you were going to try a tint, I'd use blue. Maybe a duotone. Also, it seems kind of dark.

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Jan 31, 2012 13:58:25   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
markfay wrote:
docrob wrote:
markfay wrote:
docrop, I'm here to learn, sorry you don't like it. I do. I'd much rather you gave some constructive criticism to me rather than be sarcastic to Jay's opinion which is just as valuable as yours. You haven't at any stage told me what you feel is wrong, simply that I should dump it.

If you don't have anything to offer, please select another topic to which you are more suited.


Markfay, you are quite correct. I should not be sarcastic but at the same time for some one to tell you that this image is so good it should be on the wall of every bar and resturant in the area that catters to sports folk is nuts! Sorry if that offends you. We pick the judgments that best fit our own......

OK so to make it up I offer serious constructive feedback.
1) you are shooting water on a sunny day you will have numerous specular highlights to contend with 2) these specular highlights are apt to fool your meter so 3) in such situations bracket like crazy 4) the images shows a guy in the water - he is backlit and holding a harness of some sort. Tell me where the interest is for someone who is not a kite guy?

Hope that helps and thank you for calling out my sarcasm.
quote=markfay docrop, I'm here to learn, sorry yo... (show quote)


thanks docrob. I feel that Jay is entitled to his opinion and that still holds but not nuts. Yeah I know it is not going to end up on walls.

Yes the camera would be fooled. what you are seeing is not the exposure the camera gave. I changed the exposure pp to emphasise what I wanted - the highlights and the blacks. To me the fact it is a kite surfer is somewhat irrelevant and not the issue.

The interest (to me anyway) is that someone is pursuing a hobby against what was quite a wild sea. It didn't matter to me whether it was a surfer, a canoeist or a swimmer. I was was trying to depict 'man against the elements' and tried to emphasise some drama.
quote=docrob quote=markfay docrop, I'm here to l... (show quote)


ahhh got it and in that manner you succeeded in depicting and communicating that intent. Herein lies a problem you cannot successfully change the exposure after the fact and obtain good results.
I know I know the adds and the technical stuff says you can - but you can't. The range in this image is probably fairly large from specular highlights to shadow. Since both your subject and the environment are out of your control it may simply be that the range is too great. HDR would not work in this situation because the subject is constantly changing. You could simply take a meter reading off the sky using the sunny f16 rule used that as your mid-point and blasted away braceting in .3 or .5 stops (nikon/canon).

is that helpful?

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