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Apr 11, 2014 11:54:37   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
russelray wrote:
I understand that, but the flat image from a DNG RAW file is flatter than the flat image from a CR2 RAW file, and the images from CR2 RAW files are different depending on how I set the Picture Style via the menu in the camera. So flat is not always defined the same way.

Again, this is the result of the software you are using, not the "sensor data" in the file.

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Apr 11, 2014 11:54:48   #
les_stockton Loc: Eastern Oklahoma
 
amehta wrote:
Changing the picture style (sharpening, noise reduction, color saturation, etc) does not affect the raw file.


it probably changes how the pp software chooses to render it by default.
I don't know. Regardless, I have always felt that my raw images were always flat, and I always work on contrast, saturation and other things just to start with.

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Apr 11, 2014 12:13:37   #
randomeyes Loc: wilds of b.c. canada
 
wingnut1956 wrote:
Just a curiosity question..I'm wondering how much time is generally spent editing an average raw photo. I'm pretty new to messing with "raw" photos and have found it can take a LOT of time with all the things you can play around with. I subscribed to Adobe and have access to both lightroom and photoshop..so far have been playing mostly with lightroom, mostly because I found some great tutorials online. Still, I find myself spending more time than I seem to have available and have a real hard time deciding what's "right" and knowing when to stop
Just a curiosity question..I'm wondering how much ... (show quote)





I take as long as it needs to say "that's it!!"

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Apr 11, 2014 12:23:18   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
randomeyes wrote:
I take as long as it needs to say "that's it!!"


:thumbup: excellent reply

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Apr 11, 2014 12:24:49   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
amehta wrote:
Changing the picture style (sharpening, noise reduction, color saturation, etc) does not affect the raw file.

Ah, but it does.

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Apr 11, 2014 12:26:51   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
amehta wrote:
Again, this is the result of the software you are using, not the "sensor data" in the file.

The software makes no difference. To prove that to myself, as well as members of the three camera clubs I belong to, I took different RAW files to different software, i.e., Corel Draw, Paintshop Pro, Photo-Paint, Photoshop, Lightroom Photomatix, etc. In every single case, the DNG file was flatter than the CR2 file. That tells me that it's not the software, it's the RAW file.

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Apr 11, 2014 12:29:44   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
russelray wrote:
The software makes no difference. To prove that to myself, as well as members of the three camera clubs I belong to, I took different RAW files to different software, i.e., Corel Draw, Paintshop Pro, Photo-Paint, Photoshop, Lightroom Photomatix, etc. In every single case, the DNG file was flatter than the CR2 file. That tells me that it's not the software, it's the RAW file.

The CR2 file includes both the sensor data and an embedded jpeg. I think the different programs were showing you the jpeg, not the raw sensor data with post processing applied. If you take a picture using raw+jpeg, and they look identical, it's because you are seeing the embedded jpeg in the CR2 file.

What produced the DNG file?

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Apr 11, 2014 12:34:58   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
amehta wrote:
The CR2 file includes both the sensor data and an embedded jpeg. I think the different programs were showing you the jpeg, not the raw sensor data with post processing applied. If you take a picture using raw+jpeg, and they look identical, it's because you are seeing the embedded jpeg in the CR2 file.

What produced the DNG file?

ACR, and other programs that process RAW files won't show you the embedded JPG when you're processing the RAW file. All the settings are at 0, so to have a jpg showing in ACR while you're adjusting the RAW file doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

I shoot only RAW.

Adobe DNG converter produced the DNG files. Interestingly, the DNG files show up exactly the same in all the software programs. So if I take four RAW pictures of the same thing except with different picture styles, they show up differently in all software. However, if I convert those four pictures to DNG, the four DNG pictures are exactly the same. That, again, tells me that it's the RAW files, not embedded jpgs, or software, or.......

That also is why DNG works in all software programs and with all cameras. It's a standard, albeit one that hasn't been accepted by everyone yet. It doesn't matter what camera maker's proprietary RAW format is, DNG converts them all to the same standard, again seeming to prove that the difference is in the RAW files and how they are created by each individual camera maker and their in-camera settings, not by photo editing programs.

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Apr 11, 2014 14:03:32   #
JimGuy
 
wingnut1956 wrote:
Just a curiosity question..I'm wondering how much time is generally spent editing an average raw photo. I'm pretty new to messing with "raw" photos and have found it can take a LOT of time with all the things you can play around with. I subscribed to Adobe and have access to both lightroom and photoshop..so far have been playing mostly with lightroom, mostly because I found some great tutorials online. Still, I find myself spending more time than I seem to have available and have a real hard time deciding what's "right" and knowing when to stop
Just a curiosity question..I'm wondering how much ... (show quote)


Depending on the image it can take a lot of time. If you start with a good exposure it can take less. The more familiar you are with the software, the faster you can go.
Hows that for evading the question?

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Apr 11, 2014 14:04:24   #
stan0301 Loc: Colorado
 
Having take over two million photos I am pretty sure it takes about 4 times longer to get them looking like I want (I use Bridge), than it did to take them.
Stan

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Apr 11, 2014 14:33:49   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
batch processing, the only way to go when you are trying to get through several shots. I always look for the "magic few" that I take lots of time on. The hard part is learning which ones are "worth" the time.

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Apr 11, 2014 14:37:20   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
bkyser wrote:
batch processing, the only way to go when you are trying to get through several shots. I always look for the "magic few" that I take lots of time on. The hard part is learning which ones are "worth" the time.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Apr 11, 2014 14:42:07   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
stan0301 wrote:
Having take over two million photos I am pretty sure it takes about 4 times longer to get them looking like I want (I use Bridge), than it did to take them.
Stan


I would think so, since Bridge is only a librarian and not an editor!

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Apr 11, 2014 14:43:15   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
bkyser wrote:
batch processing, the only way to go when you are trying to get through several shots. I always look for the "magic few" that I take lots of time on. The hard part is learning which ones are "worth" the time.


In other words, learning to be honest with yourself.

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Apr 11, 2014 14:46:47   #
nolte1964 Loc: Des Moines, Iowa
 
Time spent is irrelevant because ultimately it is the finished product your after and that is what matters. As you gain experience you will know what works and doesn't for image's.

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