Hahah..Another Gore prediction bites the dust.. (Page 2): Wikipedia, highly respected in matters of scientific accuracy and always changing, modifying (willingness to change ones mind...

Scoutman Loc: Orlando, FL

DEBJENROB wrote:

What is wrong with you .... you quote a physicist who died in 1988 to make a point about a 21st Century problem .... global warming wasn't a perceived problem in 1988 ..... unless you have the ability to channel him ... find better experts to support your minority opinion ...

Wikipedia, highly respected in matters of scientific accuracy and always changing, modifying (willingness to change ones mind is kind of what science is all about), states:

"Global warming is the rise in the average temperature of Earth's atmosphere and oceans since the late 19th century and its projected continuation. Since the early 20th century, Earth's mean surface temperature has increased by about 0.8 °C (1.4 °F), with about two-thirds of the increase occurring since 1980.[2] Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and scientists are 95-100% certain that it is primarily caused by increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases produced by human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation.[3][4][5] These findings are recognized by the national science academies of all major industrialized nations.[6][A]"

Lots of references, should one want to go to the trouble.

The National Geographic, Sept. 2013, has a feature article on "Rising Seas." One example given was the island of Maldives may force its 100,000 inhabitants to flee their homes by 2100. Unfortunately, I won't be around to check.

In another:

" 136 Large coastal cities now at risk from sea-level rise.
40 Million people at risk in those cities. $3 Trillion Value of assets at risk." p.31.

Gore is a politician who many love to hate. Though his timelines were inaccurate, the basis for his argument still remains valid, it would appear. And yes, he should be busy trying to reduce his carbon emissions on his property in Tennessee.

Feynman said his passion was to find out about stuff. I suggest we are still finding out about this stuff.

Maybe it, the trend, will be reversed. Many scientists don't think so.

The fact that there was snow in Eygypt recently, does not debunk the other theories and accumulating evidence.

I'm a scientist too. Hoopla! Turns out my specialty is sex. Investigating whether intense copulatory activity in waterbeds will lead to rising sea levels. Sure could lead to population increase. :(

dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida

sb wrote:

He wasn't wrong - he only missed it by a few years perhaps. The arctic is still melting, and has become a new geopolitical battlefield with countries vying for oil drilling rights and shipping lanes in the thawed-out arctic.

Sb, we are in the wrong bar again! These are the guys who hated 8-9 grade science class. Information cullers, the science of FUX News. Sb, you and I and many others are confronted with those who's T-Shirts say "But what does reality have to do with it?" Science is not welcome here, only those who are willing to reinforce each other.

jwenz Loc: Northern Wisc.

rpavich wrote:

This is classic Gore alarmist stuff; br br ______... (show quote)

steve03 Loc: long Lsland

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FIVE YEARS AGO TODAY
Al Gore predicted the North Polar Ice Cap would be completely ice free in five years. Gore made the prediction to a German audience in 2008. He told them that the entire North polarized cap will disappear in 5 years.

Today Cairo had its first snowfall in 100 ye
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Check out the video clips to get a belly laugh.

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steve03 Loc: long Lsland

steve03 wrote:

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Cairo is not in the Arctic

jamitjim73 Loc: Franklin,Tn.

Al Gore is a viper-eyed lair. BWT it was reported on the channel 4 evening news when he lived in Bellemeade - Nashville Tn. his electric bill was 10k. Sounds a bit high to me- how accurate the reporting ? I don't know.

oldgabby Loc: Middle Tennessee

DAAHH, THEMSELVES!! from Tennessee

RichieC Loc: Adirondacks

WE are enjoying an inter-glacial period, it was much, much colder before, it is much warmer now and it will absolutely, positively, without question, be much much colder again.

Meanwhile there will be people that try and get a monetary or political agenda across involving things they have no control over. Once upon a time they built Stonehenge so they were able to predict eclipse's or other "events"- to "prove" their power to gain some political advantage, probably some virgins, perhaps a goat- then, the very same sort of AlGore back in early America would cut the heart of some poor soul and roll him down the stairs and the eclipse would end... All Al is is a modern day priest- asking you to send him sacrifices for his altar.

We do pollute, we pour terrible, horrible things into the water and the air. As a staunch conservative, I am all for stopping this very real problem. As far as warming, there are models that point to a warming period causing shifts in the deep ocean currents and triggering the next ice age. The current instaed of being deflected, go way up to the poles, and then circulate cold water along Europe and the US West coast ( & elsewhere) , and instead of melting back every year- the glaciers begin to build. Once they achieve a critical mass- they will set up their own weather, reflecting sun, creating wind currents, & weather patterns, and the whole thing cascades into a full blown ice-age. That is one model.

The truth is- they don't know what triggers them- just that they do and will again. So if they don't know even that... Go ahead and send them checks and headlines or vote them into office because the heart they are holding above their head is still beating and your dollar may be the one that stops it.... LOL

charryl Loc: New Mexico, USA

sb wrote:

He wasn't wrong - he only missed it by a few years perhaps. The arctic is still melting, and has become a new geopolitical battlefield with countries vying for oil drilling rights and shipping lanes in the thawed-out arctic.

Really? I just read that the current sea ice coverage has increased by 60% over last year....and we are just now entering winter with some of the coldest temperatures recorded in both the poles.

imntrt1 Loc: St. Louis

heyrob wrote:

Did you bother to read or listen to Feynman's talk, or are you just speaking without the benefit of any knowledge of that which you speak? The problem with government subsidized science, is that it tends to motivate the beneficiaries to tell those paying the bills what they want to hear, not necessarily the truth, because then the money will go away.

Feynman stated in the talk: "If you make a theory, for example, and advertise it, or put it out, then you must also put down all the facts that disagree with it, as well as those that agree with it. There is also a more subtle problem. When you have put a lot of ideas together to make an elaborate theory, you want to make sure, when explaining what it fits, that those things it fits are not just the things that gave you the idea for the theory; but that the finished theory makes something else come out right, in addition.

In summary, the idea is to try to give all of the information to help others to judge the value of your contribution; not just the information that leads to judgment in one particular direction or another."

This is exactly what today's "Climatologists" who peddle this climate change crap avoid. They never tell policy makers, or the public how their silly theories of AGW or now Climate Change are never confirmed by use of the scientific method, only what their theory is as though it id fact. If you know anything at all about the scientific method, you would understand why this is all so much BS. As Einstein once said "No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; yet a single experiment can prove me wrong." this is why there are so few physical laws in nature. The fact is that every theory put forth for man caused climate change has been proved wrong in at least one experiment, yet the alarmists continue to push the lie as fact.

The fact remains that the climate has been changing since the beginning of the atmosphere, and while man may have some miniscule effect, it is so small that it is insignificant in the overall scheme of things. Those who try to convince the public otherwise are simply dishonest. As Feynman also said in his talk, "I would like to add something that's not essential to the science, but something I kind of believe, which is that you should not fool the layman when you're talking as a scientist." meaning the layman tends to have little understanding of science and are therefore inclined to place high regard for the word of scientists. When scientists lie to the public, it places the entire profession in a questionable light.

As a working scientist I find the whole practice of scientific deceit to be despicable.

Did you bother to read or listen to Feynman's talk... (show quote)

I have a working theory....If the Government is involved in the research it will be wrong. ;-) Another thing rarely brought up is being discussed regarding all the wildfires out west. When we inhabit an area prone to fires are we actually hindering mother natures natural changes and causing more problems in the long run. Building cities and towns in coastal areas might just be a recipe for disaster. That was being discussed after the deaths of 19 fire-fighters in Arizona. Anyway, I'm rambling about things I know little about...but...I see lots of common sense in your response heyrob.

amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN

Rongnongno wrote:

Hyperbole from a few and data alteration in order ... (show quote)

:thumbup: :thumbup:

Toby

Rongnongno wrote:

The 'old one' that creates the sink holes in FL is... (show quote)

While this is true it only covers one aspect of the water level argument. If you only consider floating ice, icebergs, it is true that the water level will not change as the ice melts. This forgets about ice on land. When it melts and runs off the water level of the oceans will change. This, however, is still to simple to predict a change because of many other effects. Bottom line don't listen to politicians, radio and tv talking heads etc. Lets try to listen to scientists that do not have an agenda. At least their predictions will be based on scientific reasoning.

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

rpavich wrote:

This is classic Gore alarmist stuff; br br ______... (show quote)

Regardless of his error, Arctic ocean ice has been is melting at a steady pace. Easily seen on satellite photos. While this years summer minimum was substantially higher than last years, there has been a general steady decline in arctic sea ice during the last few decades since its been its been tracked by satellite. So while the polar icecap is not going to disappear anytime soon, the trend of significant ice melting over time in that region is not a myth. As for its relation to the very unusual event of snow in Cairo, when discussing world wide weather phenomena you have to look at long term general trends, not individual localized events.

amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN

DEBJENROB wrote:

What is wrong with you .... you quote a physicist who died in 1988 to make a point about a 21st Century problem .... global warming wasn't a perceived problem in 1988 ..... unless you have the ability to channel him ... find better experts to support your minority opinion ...

On the contrary, there was more than one scientist in the '80s predicting climate change and pointing out the evidence. But like every new idea, these were pooh poohed and ignored. It doesn't make it less true.

amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN

Just so everyone knows-the CIA scientists(yes,there are such entities) predicted way back in the early 70s, an ice age. Look it up.

The Heavens move in a great cycle of time which relates to the traveling of our system through the galaxy. As it goes through the cycle, the climate changes due to the effects of other systems, how close, how far, and all other sorts of influences.

It's the Great Mandala and we are all on it. Changes are coming, be they soon or be they late. We can't stop it because it's a natural occurrence. All we can is be prepared. But in reading most of these replies, I would think that is NOT going to be a happening. Oh well, do what we have always done, I suppose-live and not learn! :mrgreen: