Question of Ease of Use of mirrorless cameras.
Dec 8, 2013 07:29:38 #
BobHartung wrote:
To all. br br Having just purchased a new Fuji X-... (show quote)
I had heard the same thing about the Sony NEX cameras. Then I got one, and within a few days, I was adjusting it without looking. The one thing I could never adjust to was the EVF.
Dec 8, 2013 07:50:27 #
ole sarg
Loc: south florida
It is the difference between a range finder camera which for news work is superior to a dslr and a big bulky heavy dslr which really is not too suitable for news work. I always prefered my Leica to my Nikon when shooting news stories.
Dec 8, 2013 08:07:43 #
sueyeisert
Loc: New Jersey
I have both the Oly E-M5 and the Fugi X-E2. I found after a couple of days I knew where the buttons and controls were located. I easily go back and forth between both cameras. I really had to study the menus of the olympus and did a lot of reading on DPreview. The Fugi menu and layout is so easy to learn no comparison. Fugi is always updating there cameras and lenses. I really like the Fugi controls.
Dec 8, 2013 08:24:06 #
I'm very pleased with the ergonomics of my Lumix GX7. While they are better on the 7, I never had any trouble with its Lumix predecessors either. As others have said, there is a definite "familiarity curve" with a new camera.
Dec 8, 2013 08:54:53 #
jeryh
Loc: Oxfordshire UK
The X Pro 1 is a complicated camera; I went from a Leica M6 to the X Pro; yes, it did take a while to learn, but no more than the average modern camera- I studied the Digilux 2 manual for a week, before attempting to use it; I am used to technology, but it does pay to study the book first !
Dec 8, 2013 09:50:07 #
MT Shooter wrote:
I have, and it is.
LOL...it took me a while to get accustomed to the size of the OMD EM5 as I have fairly large hands...must say, however, that after a few weeks of use with the OLY 75-300mm zoom attached (a combined weight of 1.8 lbs) and no need for a tripod due to Oly's 5 axis in camera image stabilization that I am a happy shooter, and looking forward to the EM-1 after the first of the new year....
Dec 8, 2013 09:51:56 #
I've only raised the non-existent viewfinder of my Eos M up to my eye a few times. I don't really feel all that stupid most days after I casually glance around and see that nobody's looking. I'll quit that in a few more months, I'm sure. :roll:
Dec 8, 2013 10:28:49 #
BobHartung wrote:
To all.
...It seemed to me to be an ergonomic nightmare. Nothing seemed to be in just the right spot. We tried the grip add-on, but that has to be removed every time you want to access the battery/memory card compartment. Buttons were not convenient.
Focus and Zoom rings were hard to accurately find, etc.
Is this just me being used to full frame 35mm and larger format cameras, or do others have a similar sense when using these cameras?
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...It seemed to me to be an ergonomic nightmare. Nothing seemed to be in just the right spot. We tried the grip add-on, but that has to be removed every time you want to access the battery/memory card compartment. Buttons were not convenient.
Focus and Zoom rings were hard to accurately find, etc.
Is this just me being used to full frame 35mm and larger format cameras, or do others have a similar sense when using these cameras?
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I don't think it is the manufacturer or the type of camera. I think it is a combination of that particular camera and what you are used to.
I went from a Nikon D5100 to the supposedly superior D7000...a much larger camera in this case of the same type...and hated how it worked. I could never get used to the buttons and unreadable (without reading glasses) green screen compared to having everything nicely laid out on the large LCD. I had programmed the one function button on the D5100 for ISO and was able to do everything while looking through the viewfinder (I used P mode mostly). Not so with the D7000. I got rid of it.
My next camera, the D800, shares the use of buttons and the little green screen, but the buttons are laid out entirely differently. I have no problem with it and because of how it drives the green screen don't even have a problem with readability for most functions.
So I think the message is you have to try the particular camera and see how it works for you.
Dec 8, 2013 11:38:44 #
Everyone
The choice is - buttons or menus. I prefer buttons. Also there are different ways of holding a camera, which might make a difference to "button ease of use" - for example, I just love being able to alter ISO on my Lumix G2 by pushing one very accessible button - immediately the ISO range is in my viewfinder - one more click and it's done. Without the camera leaving my eye, exposure is adjusted in two seconds. I can then, with the help of another readily accessible button choose shutter speed / aperture - another two seconds. Still with my eye in the viewfinder. However, today (very cloudy dull) I was shooting at a junior football match and forgot to switch on the OIS (on the lens barrel).
The choice is - buttons or menus. I prefer buttons. Also there are different ways of holding a camera, which might make a difference to "button ease of use" - for example, I just love being able to alter ISO on my Lumix G2 by pushing one very accessible button - immediately the ISO range is in my viewfinder - one more click and it's done. Without the camera leaving my eye, exposure is adjusted in two seconds. I can then, with the help of another readily accessible button choose shutter speed / aperture - another two seconds. Still with my eye in the viewfinder. However, today (very cloudy dull) I was shooting at a junior football match and forgot to switch on the OIS (on the lens barrel).
Dec 8, 2013 13:41:19 #
Delderby wrote:
Everyone br The choice is - buttons or menus. I p... (show quote)
Not so much. You can have your cake and eat it too.
The Nikon D5xxx series is a case in point. You can do everything from the info menu if you wish.
Or, if you wish, you can program the function button for ISO (as I finally did) and use P mode. In P mode you rotate the thumbwheel to vary the shutter speed and f-stop across the range of satisfactory exposures for the current ISO. You then can push the function button and use the thumbwheel to change the ISO. So you can do everything while looking through the viewfinder.
Since you are only using one button there is no hunting for it.
You can also do the second approach with the other Nikon models I have owned...but they screwed up the info screen option on the supposedly higher level D7000 and D800 so it doesn't easily control all the functions. I have no clue why they made it worthless.
Dec 8, 2013 14:39:10 #
Aperture ring - manual or auto - no menu necessary.
Dedicated shutter speed dial - manual or auto - no menu necessary.
Fn button - direct access to ISO menu.
Exposure compensation dial.
All at your finger tips.
Doesn't get much easier.
Dedicated shutter speed dial - manual or auto - no menu necessary.
Fn button - direct access to ISO menu.
Exposure compensation dial.
All at your finger tips.
Doesn't get much easier.
Old World Analog Meets New World Digital
Dec 8, 2013 16:44:41 #
rebride wrote:
Aperture ring - manual or auto - no menu necessary.
Dedicated shutter speed dial - manual or auto - no menu necessary.
Fn button - direct access to ISO menu.
Exposure compensation dial.
All at your finger tips.
Doesn't get much easier.
Dedicated shutter speed dial - manual or auto - no menu necessary.
Fn button - direct access to ISO menu.
Exposure compensation dial.
All at your finger tips.
Doesn't get much easier.
Looks familiar.
Where is the rewind crank?
:wink:
Dec 8, 2013 17:38:59 #
As the one who started this thread, I want to thank everyone for their opinions. Maybe my clumsiness is my fat hands. Maybe is is just 45 years of using a SLR.
I will lurk and continue to read posts.
Thanks to all! :-P :D :lol: :roll:
I will lurk and continue to read posts.
Thanks to all! :-P :D :lol: :roll:
Dec 8, 2013 18:55:56 #
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Looks familiar.
Where is the rewind crank?
:wink:
Where is the rewind crank?
:wink:
To me the odd thing is the EV wheel. That is supposed to be the ISO wheel that you set when you load the film.
:-)
Dec 8, 2013 19:36:56 #
I had/have the same issues with the Sony NEX-7 as did many others. Thank goodness Sony listened and the A7/A7R is so much better with a proper "Alpha" menu system, 4 control wheels and several programmable buttons.
I have the A7r and although small, it's built like a brick.
I have the A7r and although small, it's built like a brick.
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