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Jul 5, 2013 09:33:25   #
Eveline
 
Country's Mama wrote:
I came away with you should expose to the right but don't spike on either the right or the left. This is the first time that I have read that there is more information to the right, but that makes sense to me. If you expose to the left you risk lots of noise and loss of detail. I need to read more.
Yes, rereading the information, it did say that. I will need to test this out for myself because I think it would be easy to blow out the highlights.

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Jul 5, 2013 09:47:24   #
Brenda IS Scottish Loc: GOLDEN Colorado
 
Eveline wrote:
I sometimes look at the histogram after taking a shot if I am unsure of the exposure. I definitely would not check each shot. Too time consuming for my liking. I am not sure I understand what it meant by exposing for the right side. I always thought that if you were too far over on either side, it meant that you were overexposed (right) or underexposed (left). Am I incorrect?


I was always told to expose as if it was a bell curve ..... I don't know which is correct, I'll have to look in some other materials to see what others say.... hey that could be our next book... understanding exposure

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Jul 5, 2013 10:05:31   #
Eveline
 
I was always told about the bell curve as well. More reading and experimenting I guess.

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Jul 5, 2013 10:06:19   #
Eveline
 
Has anyone done any photographing to try out some of these ideas? Are we supposed to post some pics?

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Jul 5, 2013 10:29:57   #
Eveline
 
I said I was going to work on a single topic. I chose to photograph dolls. I am posting a couple of them for discussion and critique. I haven't edited these yet as I would like to shoot photos that are dead on and require very little PP. Just a personal preference. I would like to see what people think I need to change. As well, what are your reactions to the photos? I forgot to post the photos so will do that below this post.

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Jul 5, 2013 10:31:52   #
Eveline
 
These are two of the photos that I took.





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Jul 5, 2013 12:15:08   #
Brenda IS Scottish Loc: GOLDEN Colorado
 
Eveline wrote:
I sometimes look at the histogram after taking a shot if I am unsure of the exposure. I definitely would not check each shot. Too time consuming for my liking. I am not sure I understand what it meant by exposing for the right side. I always thought that if you were too far over on either side, it meant that you were overexposed (right) or underexposed (left). Am I incorrect?


Here is an online question asking about exposing for the right side of the histogram, (very simple answers) but it references the book by the author of this article on the histogram

http://www.redbubble.com/groups/photography-critique-and-advice/forums/1260/topics/72081-advice-do-you-push-more-data-toward-the-right-of-the-histogram

Here is a second article discussing the same process, apparently this isn't a new concept.

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Jul 5, 2013 15:23:07   #
Eveline
 
Interesting discussion. I still think I will stick to what I like. I hate blown highlights and noise.

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Jul 5, 2013 16:37:24   #
Brenda IS Scottish Loc: GOLDEN Colorado
 
Eveline wrote:
Interesting discussion. I still think I will stick to what I like. I hate blown highlights and noise.


I've been told by two instructors with digital photography you are better off if you underexpose vs overexpose because you can draw out shadows but overexposure is lost forever.

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Jul 5, 2013 16:37:54   #
Brenda IS Scottish Loc: GOLDEN Colorado
 
Post pictures you've taken regarding the reading if you are so inclined.

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Jul 5, 2013 22:29:55   #
Country's Mama Loc: Michigan
 
xxMeanKittyxx wrote:
Post pictures you've taken regarding the reading if you are so inclined.


I will try to get out and take some tomorrow. It may be fall before I get through this book. :)

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Jul 7, 2013 18:05:53   #
Country's Mama Loc: Michigan
 
Another article on the same topic that might interest some.
http://www.thephotoargus.com/tips/the-histogram-and-the-advantage-of-high-bit-files/

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Jul 8, 2013 10:07:13   #
jvo Loc: left coast of the east coast
 
i've only read book 1 - and am looking forward to book 2. this was great, my kind of book.

some background... i don't have a digital camera, shoot only b&w film, so my needs are a bit different. (YES, i think digital camera's and photography is superb, maybe i'm a dinosaur - i'll explain some other time.) i just won't be able to post pix.

as d. chemin says in the intro, it's intended to be about things that didn't require going out and buying more equipment. it lived up to that and was really helpful... for any photographer. i found each of the essays tight and well-written. in thinking about the book as a whole i liked the essays that fit "my" style of photography and realized the the others would be techniques out side my "comfort" zone, useful and a challenge.

some of the least useful for me (for obvious reasons) "tame your digital exposure" (use the zone system and spotmeter, no digital); "power of the print", (only produce prints)...

some of the more useful, "create projects and collaborate"; "making stronger portraits"; "slow down and learn to see". things that i forget over time and need to be reminded of.

the greatest take away for me from all of the essay's is emotion and time. i need to take more time to make an emotionally connection with my subject!

i look forward to you thoughts...

great book, now onto book 2.

jvo

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Jul 8, 2013 19:43:41   #
Eveline
 
jvo wrote:
i've only read book 1 - and am looking forward to book 2. this was great, my kind of book.

some background... i don't have a digital camera, shoot only b&w film, so my needs are a bit different. (YES, i think digital camera's and photography is superb, maybe i'm a dinosaur - i'll explain some other time.) i just won't be able to post pix.

as d. chemin says in the intro, it's intended to be about things that didn't require going out and buying more equipment. it lived up to that and was really helpful... for any photographer. i found each of the essays tight and well-written. in thinking about the book as a whole i liked the essays that fit "my" style of photography and realized the the others would be techniques out side my "comfort" zone, useful and a challenge.

some of the least useful for me (for obvious reasons) "tame your digital exposure" (use the zone system and spotmeter, no digital); "power of the print", (only produce prints)...

some of the more useful, "create projects and collaborate"; "making stronger portraits"; "slow down and learn to see". things that i forget over time and need to be reminded of.

the greatest take away for me from all of the essay's is emotion and time. i need to take more time to make an emotionally connection with my subject!

i look forward to you thoughts...

great book, now onto book 2.

jvo
i've only read book 1 - and am looking forward to ... (show quote)


Hi jvo - If you have a scanner, you can still post pics. I too like to work in film. I use b&w medium format, 120 film, with "toy" cameras, or twin lens cameras. I am going to work on dolls in that format next week. We would love to see some of your work. I will try to post more pics later when it's not so busy!

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