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Jun 1, 2013 13:59:30   #
Jblanke
 
Sorry... Not sure how that happened.

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Jun 1, 2013 15:00:18   #
lovesphotos
 
Jblanke wrote:
Sorry... Not sure how that happened.


It just became more permanent with the double stitch.

:)

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Jun 1, 2013 15:07:04   #
lovesphotos
 
TucsonCoyote wrote:
What makes you think that one storage medium is superior to another in this day and age of consumer electronics?
Some of you mention Carbonite and such and Cloud backup sites....as if they had miracle storage that are immune to gama ray bursts or electromagnetic pulses!...not to mention just plain breakdown such as you would have with your own storage devices.
CDs and DVDs of the best quality have limited lifespans I am sure!
Even polished granit stone is not forever, recently saw the graves of my maternal grand parents headstones completely destroyed by the weather in just a century at the most!
B&W Archive quality pics seem to be the best as long as they are stored properly....that is not available to most of us!
Most of you talk about huge HDs in 2 or 3s which you swap out now and then...what a task to say the least!
I know my Dads slides are mostly all faded by now!
This is why I have tried to burn stuff into my memory rather than take pics and then look at where I had been once I was home.....now I should be writing it all down for who cares to read about my adventures!...also a lot of the time I had no camera and or no film !....life is hard when you are young ! lol
What makes you think that one storage medium is su... (show quote)


I don't think you need to worry. Once you leave this realm, you will never have to worry about the pernanency of anything. Even the stuff you burn into your brain. However, it is a nice thought that they will last and mean something to those who will see them later.

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Jun 1, 2013 16:30:19   #
TucsonCoyote
 
radiumjohn wrote:
Are you sure it is granite? Carbon dioxide in the air combines with water to form cabonic acid that disolves marble (calcite) in particular. I'm not saying that granite won't weather away since nothing is forever, but I am saying that calcareous rocks are more vulnerable.

I like your analysis and reasoning though I have seen Roman structures built with Calcareous rocks last a shit load of centuries!
In the case I mentioned I identified the headstone failures to mechanical breakdown due to water infiltration on non polished surfaces and where the writing gave a foot hold for moisture...then repeated ice bomb action over the years just broke everything up!

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Jun 1, 2013 16:36:09   #
TucsonCoyote
 
speters wrote:
I use archival-gold CD's and think they are still the most reliable way to do this (except maybe for the new granite CD's -they suppose to even surpass the gold CD's).

I looked those Gold CDs up and they say 300 years shelf life!
That's cool....although I doubt you could get your money back if it didn't prove true ....some 75 or 125 years from now, you know ! lol
Think you are pulling my leg with the granit CDs! :shock:

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Jun 1, 2013 17:24:56   #
TucsonCoyote
 
winterrose wrote:
I still don't know what the heck he's talking about and I doubt that he's going to tell us cause I think he wandered off mumbling something....

I must have stepped on some part of you inadvertently ?!
Just hang on to Jerry's picture......you traitor Jerry ! lol
Mumblemumble !

Papa Joe ..One would think Bible thumpers could see the light at times. I am one to say what I mean and mean what I say !
I appreciate art, some more than others, some not at all; I was talking about modern day storage durability!
.....Mostly that large HDs in the Terabyte range may not be all they are cracked up to be...read some posts about "keystroke of death" or something to that effect that had folks really concerned with losing large amounts of their cherished work in an instant!

Fergus, I think maybe your policy is the head in the sand one, which is as good as any other in this photography storage game! Am thinking maybe the people coming out ahead are as always those selling you the stuff of your trade or art !

Temperature is over a 100 today here, hope the A/C unit holds out !

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Jun 1, 2013 18:42:14   #
marcomarks
 
TucsonCoyote wrote:
What makes you think that one storage medium is superior to another in this day and age of consumer electronics?
Some of you mention Carbonite and such and Cloud backup sites....as if they had miracle storage that are immune to gama ray bursts or electromagnetic pulses!...not to mention just plain breakdown such as you would have with your own storage devices.
CDs and DVDs of the best quality have limited lifespans I am sure!
Even polished granit stone is not forever, recently saw the graves of my maternal grand parents headstones completely destroyed by the weather in just a century at the most!
B&W Archive quality pics seem to be the best as long as they are stored properly....that is not available to most of us!
Most of you talk about huge HDs in 2 or 3s which you swap out now and then...what a task to say the least!
I know my Dads slides are mostly all faded by now!
This is why I have tried to burn stuff into my memory rather than take pics and then look at where I had been once I was home.....now I should be writing it all down for who cares to read about my adventures!...also a lot of the time I had no camera and or no film !....life is hard when you are young ! lol
What makes you think that one storage medium is su... (show quote)


The aliens who exterminate us with gamma ray bursts and electromagnetic pulses will probably wonder what all those scorch marks under your aluminum foil hat are. Only you'll know they were to burn your memory with. :roll:

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Jun 1, 2013 18:58:21   #
Papa Joe
 
TucsonCoyote wrote:
I must have stepped on some part of you inadvertently ?!
Just hang on to Jerry's picture......you traitor Jerry ! lol
Mumblemumble !

Papa Joe ..One would think Bible thumpers could see the light at times. I am one to say what I mean and mean what I say !
I appreciate art, some more than others, some not at all; I was talking about modern day storage durability!
.....Mostly that large HDs in the Terabyte range may not be all they are cracked up to be...read some posts about "keystroke of death" or something to that effect that had folks really concerned with losing large amounts of their cherished work in an instant!

Fergus, I think maybe your policy is the head in the sand one, which is as good as any other in this photography storage game! Am thinking maybe the people coming out ahead are as always those selling you the stuff of your trade or art !

Temperature is over a 100 today here, hope the A/C unit holds out !
I must have stepped on some part of you inadverten... (show quote)


Tucson, I comprehend the meaning of your message. We all have a choice... do the best we can to preserve our photos, or don't do anything, and run around yelling, "The sky might fall!" Most folks seem to be doing the best they can with what we have to work with. Last bit scenario, we will have done what we could so if nothing else, that gives us a bit of satisfaction. As for me being, as you phrased it, "a Bible thumper", well I feel we all need to believe in something. The Bible is my choice. You make your own choice, and by all means, enjoy shooting those pictures!

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Jun 1, 2013 19:06:18   #
winterrose
 
TucsonCoyote wrote:- "I must have stepped on some part of you inadvertently ?!
Just hang on to Jerry's picture......you traitor Jerry ! lol
Mumblemumble !"

No, I don't have any bits which are on-steppable, and Jerry isn't a traitor, he's a legend and I will keep his photo hung safely on the inside of my dunny door as inspiration when I'm hard at work concentrating on important stuff.

Joking, Jerry!

More seriously, I saw a program not long ago addressing this very serious problem. It looked into file storage from a moving picture point of view but is very far-reaching with regard to ALL file archiving. The amount of data being generated is an exponential curve and the problem is a very real worry! Cheers, Rob.

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Jun 1, 2013 19:43:21   #
tramsey
 
Gold CDs that are guaranteed for 300 years, platnium CDs guaranteed for 600 years, I think it is all moat. I don't think that we are going to have anything around in the next ten years that will run any of it. CDs will go the way of Super Eights and cassette tape decks. Computers will be relics, replaced by tablets or something else

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Jun 1, 2013 20:23:38   #
TucsonCoyote
 
tramsey wrote:
Gold CDs that are guaranteed for 300 years, platnium CDs guaranteed for 600 years, I think it is all moat. I don't think that we are going to have anything around in the next ten years that will run any of it. CDs will go the way of Super Eights and cassette tape decks. Computers will be relics, replaced by tablets or something else

Platinum oooh! I just read up on that, don't know about the 600 year figure you came up with but 100 years plus is guaranteed!
Plus it's much cheaper than the gold ones!

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Jun 1, 2013 20:32:32   #
tramsey
 
TucsonCoyote wrote:
Platinum oooh! I just read up on that, don't know about the 600 year figure you came up with but 100 years plus is guaranteed!
Plus it's much cheaper than the gold ones!


I just pulled it out of the air. My point being none of it is going to make it that far anyway.

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Jun 1, 2013 20:55:22   #
hustlerb58
 
I'm a retired graphic artist, I worked for Lockheed Martin for 36 years, so I've been in the photographic/graphics business BC, (before computers). In the early Mac days when CD's and now DVDs and dual layer DVDs are available, I still back up all my art & photographs and catalog them on DVDs. I make two copies and store the additional copies off site just incase of fire or tornados. Early on our graphics group had to do our own IT support and do our own back up. As some of you may know graphic files (video,3D files & photos for advertising) can be huge and the cloud services available, in my opinion, are not secure enough for me as a stand alone graphics service. When the Chinese can hack into our military's computer systems, that speaks volumes to me. For the average family photographer out there backing up to a secondary hard drive for short term storage will work, however permanent backup of photos to a DVD will work just fine. Some of my DVDs are over 14 years old and still read just fine. Just my two cents on this problem.

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Jun 1, 2013 21:41:52   #
dragonfist
 
I have several tintypes and ambrotypes of family members that have lasted well over 150 years. Perhaps our modern methods aren't as easy to preserve or retrieve if the retrieval apparatus goes out of date. The only thing they needed was to be preserved from fire and the destructive forces of nature to remain very special items that could be seen by just taking them out of the drawer. Even then they mean a lot to me but to the average Joe on the street they are just people wearing funny looking clothing. I have no illusuions that anyone will be much interested in anything I take in my lifetime other than to see what my generation looked like. and even then a lot of my descendants won't care either.

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Jun 2, 2013 11:12:38   #
Jblanke
 
lovesphotos wrote:
It just became more permanent with the double stitch.

:)


It seems to happen in spurts.....and I don't know why...........

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