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Jun 1, 2013 09:12:21   #
winterrose
 
jerryc41 wrote:
You can keep my avatar picture. That one's not too scary.


Thank you Jerry.

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Jun 1, 2013 09:51:42   #
radiumjohn
 
TucsonCoyote wrote:
What makes you think that one storage medium is superior to another in this day and age of consumer electronics?
Some of you mention Carbonite and such and Cloud backup sites....as if they had miracle storage that are immune to gama ray bursts or electromagnetic pulses!...not to mention just plain breakdown such as you would have with your own storage devices.
CDs and DVDs of the best quality have limited lifespans I am sure!
Even polished granit stone is not forever, recently saw the graves of my maternal grand parents headstones completely destroyed by the weather in just a century at the most!
B&W Archive quality pics seem to be the best as long as they are stored properly....that is not available to most of us!
Most of you talk about huge HDs in 2 or 3s which you swap out now and then...what a task to say the least!
I know my Dads slides are mostly all faded by now!
This is why I have tried to burn stuff into my memory rather than take pics and then look at where I had been once I was home.....now I should be writing it all down for who cares to read about my adventures!...also a lot of the time I had no camera and or no film !....life is hard when you are young ! lol
What makes you think that one storage medium is su... (show quote)


Are you sure it is granite? Carbon dioxide in the air combines with water to form cabonic acid that disolves marble (calcite) in particular. I'm not saying that granite won't weather away since nothing is forever, but I am saying that calcareous rocks are more vulnerable.

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Jun 1, 2013 10:28:56   #
speters (a regular here)
 
I use archival-gold CD's and think they are still the most reliable way to do this (except maybe for the new granite CD's -they suppose to even surpass the gold CD's).

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Jun 1, 2013 10:34:39   #
Fergus
 
winterrose wrote:
What is the point of this???


I think he has ditched his camera and wants everyone else to follow suit. Yet he says he enjoys finding old photos of his family. The poor man is conflicted.

Maybe he hasn't found the satisfaction of capturing a very special moment (joy), with a camera in all its best settings (technical), with good light, balance, color, mood and crop (artistic value). If I take a thousand photos and get close to getting one that has it all spot on it pushes me on to get better. At that point I'm not thinking about how I'm going to store the photo or who is going to see it a hundred years from now. I just do my best to use good back up that is available today. The rest is up to progress and fate.

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Jun 1, 2013 10:42:26   #
Papa Joe
 
TucsonCoyote wrote:
What makes you think that one storage medium is superior to another in this day and age of consumer electronics?
Some of you mention Carbonite and such and Cloud backup sites....as if they had miracle storage that are immune to gama ray bursts or electromagnetic pulses!...not to mention just plain breakdown such as you would have with your own storage devices.
CDs and DVDs of the best quality have limited lifespans I am sure!
Even polished granit stone is not forever, recently saw the graves of my maternal grand parents headstones completely destroyed by the weather in just a century at the most!
B&W Archive quality pics seem to be the best as long as they are stored properly....that is not available to most of us!
Most of you talk about huge HDs in 2 or 3s which you swap out now and then...what a task to say the least!
I know my Dads slides are mostly all faded by now!
This is why I have tried to burn stuff into my memory rather than take pics and then look at where I had been once I was home.....now I should be writing it all down for who cares to read about my adventures!...also a lot of the time I had no camera and or no film !....life is hard when you are young ! lol
What makes you think that one storage medium is su... (show quote)


Tucson, your comments remind me very much of Ecclesiastes... a book in the Bible written by Solomon that you may be familiar with. "All is futile!".... but in the end, he does find 'reason' and satisfaction... check it out.
I believe life is worth living and also 'recording' as we are able to do these days. I have made several slideshows, using VERY old, historical photos. They lasted over a hundred years so I could work with them, and now hopefully MY work with them will continue their existence, and who knows, on down the line who may re-work my work so it will serve their generation. I think it's all worthwhile.

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Jun 1, 2013 10:46:26   #
winterrose
 
I still don't know what the heck he's talking about and I doubt that he's going to tell us cause I think he wandered off mumbling something....

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Jun 1, 2013 12:20:21   #
RSPB
 
jerryc41 wrote:
How many times have you seen old pictures of unidentified people that no one in the world cares about? At the time, we think these pictures are important, and at the time, they are. After about two generations, pictures become landfill because no one cares about them.

Now, if you have a very large family, and someone who can catalog and preserve all those family photos and make notes about them, maybe they'll be worth keeping and passing down to future generations.

I have over a dozen photo albums upstairs and about 25,000 digital images. My family consists of my son and me. When he's old and gray, he might want to page through the albums, but after he's gone - they're landfill.

The Declaration of Independence is worth preserving. Is that group picture of your family in the same category?
How many times have you seen old pictures of unide... (show quote)


Just this week I was looking at the 105 year old photo album of my great uncle and his Army buddies in France and Italy and wondering what do I do with these? I can't bring myself to dump them in a landfill - will have to leave it for someone else to do

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Jun 1, 2013 12:30:03   #
RSPB
 
OOps, the album is only 95 years old- from The Great War, as it was called before WWII

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Jun 1, 2013 12:56:41   #
jimmya
 
TucsonCoyote wrote:
What makes you think that one storage medium is superior to another in this day and age of consumer electronics?
Some of you mention Carbonite and such and Cloud backup sites....as if they had miracle storage that are immune to gama ray bursts or electromagnetic pulses!...not to mention just plain breakdown such as you would have with your own storage devices.
CDs and DVDs of the best quality have limited lifespans I am sure!
Even polished granit stone is not forever, recently saw the graves of my maternal grand parents headstones completely destroyed by the weather in just a century at the most!
B&W Archive quality pics seem to be the best as long as they are stored properly....that is not available to most of us!
Most of you talk about huge HDs in 2 or 3s which you swap out now and then...what a task to say the least!
I know my Dads slides are mostly all faded by now!
This is why I have tried to burn stuff into my memory rather than take pics and then look at where I had been once I was home.....now I should be writing it all down for who cares to read about my adventures!...also a lot of the time I had no camera and or no film !....life is hard when you are young ! lol
What makes you think that one storage medium is su... (show quote)


If you're concerned about life span of DVD discs then put yourself on a schedule of say every 5-years. Upload that data from the DVD and reburn to a new disc... on sale I get them for about 25-cents a disc so it's very cheap.

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Jun 1, 2013 13:03:33   #
Jblanke
 
jerryc41 wrote:
How many times have you seen old pictures of unidentified people that no one in the world cares about? At the time, we think these pictures are important, and at the time, they are. After about two generations, pictures become landfill because no one cares about them.

Now, if you have a very large family, and someone who can catalog and preserve all those family photos and make notes about them, maybe they'll be worth keeping and passing down to future generations.

I have over a dozen photo albums upstairs and about 25,000 digital images. My family consists of my son and me. When he's old and gray, he might want to page through the albums, but after he's gone - they're landfill.

The Declaration of Independence is worth preserving. Is that group picture of your family in the same category?
How many times have you seen old pictures of unide... (show quote)


There might be a second volume of the Declaration Of Insependence before its all over.

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Jun 1, 2013 13:08:46   #
Jblanke
 
Papa Joe wrote:
Tucson, your comments remind me very much of Ecclesiastes... a book in the Bible written by Solomon that you may be familiar with. "All is futile!".... but in the end, he does find 'reason' and satisfaction... check it out.
I believe life is worth living and also 'recording' as we are able to do these days. I have made several slideshows, using VERY old, historical photos. They lasted over a hundred years so I could work with them, and now hopefully MY work with them will continue their existence, and who knows, on down the line who may re-work my work so it will serve their generation. I think it's all worthwhile.
Tucson, your comments remind me very much of Eccle... (show quote)


Those things seen as "worth preserving" will be preserved. The other stuff won't be. It's that simple.

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Jun 1, 2013 13:28:37   #
Larrie
 
TucsonCoyote wrote:
Mostly I see people worry so much about preserving their experiences in life...for posterity or eternity....maybe just don't want to die and be forgotten!?
This was more my point, I don't dwell on too much myself. :)
I'm just happy when I find an old pic that isn't too damaged that reminds me of something.

Then you have your answer. Print everything you shoot. Canon inks and paper are good for a century

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Jun 1, 2013 13:56:50   #
Denisedoan3
 
jerryc41 wrote:
How many times have you seen old pictures of unidentified people that no one in the world cares about? At the time, we think these pictures are important, and at the time, they are. After about two generations, pictures become landfill because no one cares about them.

Now, if you have a very large family, and someone who can catalog and preserve all those family photos and make notes about them, maybe they'll be worth keeping and passing down to future generations.

I have over a dozen photo albums upstairs and about 25,000 digital images. My family consists of my son and me. When he's old and gray, he might want to page through the albums, but after he's gone - they're landfill.

The Declaration of Independence is worth preserving. Is that group picture of your family in the same category?
How many times have you seen old pictures of unide... (show quote)


You darn right my family pic is in that same category!!! LOL!!!! As a matter of fact, I don't have a copy of the Declaration of Independence hanging in my house...but I DO have TONs of pics of my family!!!!!!!!

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Jun 1, 2013 13:57:36   #
Jblanke
 
Larrie wrote:
Then you have your answer. Print everything you shoot. Canon inks and paper are good for a century


Sounds like a Ginsu Knife Guaranty!!

:-D

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Jun 1, 2013 13:58:25   #
Jblanke
 
Larrie wrote:
Then you have your answer. Print everything you shoot. Canon inks and paper are good for a century


Sounds like a Ginsu Knife Guaranty!!

:-D

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