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May 18, 2023 19:47:55   #
gwilliams6 wrote:
As I said, everyone deserves to be heard on this, including you and everyone else. No one of us has the final definitive answer on this so your "end of discussion" is very presumptuous at the least. That is my point. And most of us do know what the word "photography" means from its Latin language origin, "writing with light".

Cheers and best to you.


I never said 'end of discussion'. I said, 'period' after the classic definition of the word photography was given, and it is a Greek word by the way. Perhaps you are not able to contribute any new information but criticism to the way others put things because you have been firmly rooted in your fortress of personal knowledge too long.
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May 18, 2023 18:52:22   #
gwilliams6 wrote:
Your points of view on the "Image or Digital Art?" question posed by the OP are no more defining and "end of argument" than any one else's in this discussion.

And your diversion to talk about stereo 3D images is just as off topic as some other diversions here.

Everyone has a voice and should be heard. No single person has any all-encompassing answer to the question, and to the visual dilemmas we face presently and going forward .

Cheers and best to you.
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The literal definition of the word photography is 'drawing with light'. So to fit that definition images have to start with making an image on a light sensitive medium. What happens afterward in post are just refinements to the original capture. That would eliminate AI as an original generator of an image from being called photography but not Photoshop. That is my point.

And talk about diversions, photography is art. That question has already been settled in the philosophical realm. Whether it is good art or bad art, it is still art.

My topic of what is happening in stereo photography brings something new to the discussion that is relevant and pertinent regarding the question of defining photographic images regardless of your ability to grasp that. But if you want to talk about diversions your brag photos about your photojournalism career which you posted added absolutely nothing to this thread but wasted space.
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May 18, 2023 15:36:48   #
never mind this post
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May 18, 2023 15:08:36   #
14 pages and almost everyone missed the real point about defining photography. Most of this discussion's comments have confused a molehill with a mountain.

Photography in its essence is image making on a light sensitive medium (literally 'drawing with light'). Period. No need to answer if it is art or was it manipulated (the answer is usually yes in both cases). Everybody needs to step back and take stock of their medium. The only issue to debate at this juncture is this: Are computer GENERATED AI images created from literary descriptions to be described as photography. The answer is no because that doesn't seem to fit the essence of the definition. End of argument.

If you really want to enter a tough debate about photography consider what Stereo 3D photography is going through. AI programs can now take a single 2D photo and convert it to 3D amazingly good. So why would anyone use a stereo camera and capture in 3D which is twice as difficult as capturing in 2D, when they can convert 2D to 3D in the computer? Now tell me how we should define Stereo photography after that?
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Mar 15, 2023 15:26:50   #
Manglesphoto wrote:
It is not enough said:
Common decency and sense must not be in your vocabulary:
And yes I said was fine with your Critiques.


Your attack on me was most unkind, indecent, and belligerent since common sense shows that all I did was attempt to help you. I am a current professional instructor of Photoshop and I volunteer my expertise frequently. I am sorry I offered a suggestion for your Mangled photos thrust out into this public forum where you mistakenly think you still retain sacrosanct sole control. And since you brought it up, I wonder if you even know if your model really prefers being consistently portrayed as yellow.
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Mar 15, 2023 13:22:23   #
Manglesphoto wrote:
Is there any reason you did not ask permission to alter My image without My permission?
If I had wanted it this way I would have done It.
I now have a model that is royalty P###ed off .
DID YOU Not see the please don't alter and post any of my images?


First of all, I suggest you read the Terms of Use for this website. It states you have given up sole ownership of your image by posting it here.

Secondly, the rules of Fair Use apply to what I have done. It is fair use to usey images displayed on the web to convey a scholarly argument or to convey information.

Thirdly, I have previously corresponded with you in PMs about critiques of your images and you conveyed to me you were fine with it.

Enough said.
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Mar 14, 2023 12:39:12   #
Fascist regimes always seek to prosecute the person first and then go in search of a crime. This has been the Democrats' MO with Trump all along.

“We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force.” Ayn Rand.
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Mar 14, 2023 11:56:14   #
Nice closeups!
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Feb 22, 2023 17:55:13   #
JohnFrim wrote:
I read "And some people still want to do that." as a reference to lynching. Perhaps you are reading too much into his words.


You appear to be smarter than the average Yahoo replying, so after reading the whole statement taken in context, who do you think those "some people" might be referring to?
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Feb 22, 2023 17:16:16   #
No, you phrased it right, but the only one who got it right from the beginning when it counts, is Donald Trump.
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Feb 22, 2023 17:10:26   #
Biden didn't say anything about Oath Keepers or Proud Boys, whose leader is Black, BTW. He said Whites.

Are you guys White? Are you in White families? What makes you think you are excluded? The Left always eats itself you know.
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Feb 22, 2023 17:06:19   #
Biden getting it right is an oxymoron.
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Feb 22, 2023 17:04:19   #
philo wrote:
I have been using ACC for years and paying $10 per month.
I mainly use Bridge and PS never LR.
I have never used Elements and my question is how does Elements stack up to PS?


I don't use Lightroom either. Photoshop and Bridge are sufficient for almost anything. Of course, you should be using Adobe Camera Raw in Photoshop which is exactly the same as using Lightroom's Develop module.

The distinguishing thing about Lightroom is the data management feature. Since I don't have a collection of over 200,000 images to search through I do fine with Bridge and Photoshop alone. And remember, Lightroom's management feature means active maintenance on your part to benefit from it. I can't remember the last time I couldn't find what I was looking for on my computer.
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Feb 22, 2023 16:53:28   #
Unlike you, she knows God gave her a brain to make her own intelligent decisions.
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Feb 22, 2023 14:43:47   #
Frank T wrote:
Then Trump was right when he said it would be gone in two.weeks?
HFSAY


Trump was right in so many things he said. And if you get Covid nothing is more right than Trump's statement that therapeutics are as important as a vaccine. And they pilloried him for saying that and fought against developing and promoting cures. But it is so true when you catch it as I have even after being "vaccinated". Trump was so right again. Something you will be unable to comprehend at your level.
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