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Nov 23, 2018 03:43:00   #
White House moves to authorize use of 'lethal force' by troops at border; Mattis skeptical
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/11/21/1814559/-White-House-moves-to-authorize-use-of-lethal-force-by-troops-at-border-Mattis-skeptical

Building on their already epic failure of a political stunt at the southern border, the White House has taken steps to authorize use of deadly force by U.S. troops should the circumstances arise—an authority military leaders never seemed keen on using in the first place.

The effort, first reported by the Military Times, appears to have come at the behest of the Department of Homeland Security, which reached out to White House Chief of Staff John Kelly. Kelly reportedly orchestrated the signing of two White House memos—one signed by him and one signed by Donald Trump—that appear to empower the troops to use “lethal force, where necessary.” (Editor's note: No, I really have no idea whether these memos would stand up under legal scrutiny—it looks like a clusterf*ck to me, for lack of a more searing technical term.) Newsweek published a copy of both memos at the end of their story here. The key graph from Trump's memo reads:

To carry out that mission, these deployed personnel may perform those military protective activities that are reasonably necessary to ensure the protection and safety of Federal personnel, including a show or use of force (including lethal force, where necessary), crowd control, temporary detention, and cursory search. (emphasis added)

The memo goes on to say that Defense Sec. Mattis will "execute these responsibilities in consultation with" Homeland Security Sec. Kirstjen Nielsen—who frankly has presided over executing some of the most horrific human rights abuses related to immigration policy in the history of the country.

Legal experts have warned that use of deadly force could run in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, described here by the Military Times.

The Congressional Research Service, the non-partisan research agency for Congress, has found that “case law indicates that ‘execution of the law’ in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act occurs (a) when the Armed Forces perform tasks assigned to an organ of civil government, or (b) when the Armed Forces perform tasks assigned to them solely for purposes of civilian government.” However, the law also allows the president “to use military force to suppress insurrection or to enforce federal authority,” CRS has found.

Military forces always have the inherent right to self defense, but defense of the border agents on U.S. soil is new. In addition, troops have been given additional authorities in previous years to assist border agents with drug interdictions, but the widespread authorization of use of force for thousands of active-duty troops is unique to this deployment.

In remarks Wednesday reported by the Military Times, Sec. Mattis said he had no plans at present to change the nature of the military’s border mission away from providing non-lethal support to civilian leadership. But ultimately, Sec. Nielsen could put Mattis on the spot, asking him to deliver on force he hasn’t shown an inclination to use.

Mattis said Wednesday while the authorities for U.S. troops along the border have expanded, the Standing Rules for the Use of Force for troops deployed to the border have not changed — unless he decides they need to.

The memo directs Mattis to decide which authorities border troops may need to carry out.

“If I change the mission then something like that could happen,” Mattis said. “We have no intent of doing that right now.”

Mattis said any use of the new authorities would be shaped by what follow-on requests he gets from Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen.

“I now have the authority to do more,” Mattis said. “Now we’ll see what [Nielsen] asks me for.”

Nielsen has a history of making unconscionable decisions and then willfully lying about them.
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Nov 23, 2018 02:37:50   #
Texcaster wrote:
"The new 'hire and fire, power crazed' Melania is going to sack Ivanka, she makes the family look bad!" Anonymous WH staffer

Even KellyAnne Conway's own husband has turned!


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Nov 23, 2018 01:18:48   #
thom w wrote:
And killed many more Americans than were killed in the attacks.


Not to mention the number of non-Americans killed - half a million directly killed at the hands of the US military in 3 countries: Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, along with millions killed indirectly — those resulting from disease, displacement, and the loss of critical infrastructure.

The US under the Bush Admin Neocons, adopted Israel's bloody '1000 eyes for an eye' mentality. Perhaps the world should be thankful that 9/11 didn't happen under Trump's watch. If it had, it would have been more like 10,000 or 100,000 eyes for an eye, as it is hard to believe Trump wouldn't have nuked the Middle East.


IT’S TIME FOR AMERICA TO RECKON WITH THE STAGGERING DEATH TOLL OF THE POST-9/11 WARS
https://theintercept.com/2018/11/19/civilian-casualties-us-war-on-terror/

Brown University’s Costs of War Project this month released a new estimate of the total death toll from the U.S. wars in three countries: Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. The numbers, while conservatively estimated, are staggering. Brown’s researchers estimate that at least 480,000 people have been directly killed by violence over the course of these conflicts, more than 244,000 of them civilians. In addition to those killed by direct acts violence, the number of indirect deaths — those resulting from disease, displacement, and the loss of critical infrastructure — is believed to be several times higher, running into the millions.
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Nov 23, 2018 01:01:00   #
thom w wrote:
Glad I could help.


LOL
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Nov 23, 2018 00:55:33   #
thom w wrote:
What part of continuum don't you understand? Life is changing form, it isn't being created. If you have some theory about a soul, you are welcome to it and I won't argue about it. Otherwise I really don't understand where you are coming from.


"Continuum" is one of those words from that special category of 'shades-of-grey' type words that right wingers can't process. From a winger's perspective, you just tossed a grenade into the discussion.
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Nov 23, 2018 00:33:44   #
• President Donald Trump on Thursday doubled down on his defense of the Saudi crown prince in the murder of Saudi critic Jamal Khashoggi, disputing the CIA's reported assessment that the royals had ordered Khashoggi's killing.

• From his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, Trump said Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman regretted Khashoggi's death more than Trump did, according to pool reports.

• When asked by reporters who should be held responsible for Khashoggi's death, Trump said "maybe the world should be held accountable because the world is a vicious place."




https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-defends-saudi-crown-prince-in-khashoggi-death-disputes-cia-reported-conclusion-2018-11
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Nov 23, 2018 00:16:06   #
But consistent leaks from Turkish media, which Erdogan has almost total control over after making his country the top jailer of journalists, have done incredible public-relations harm to the kingdom and to US support for it.

By leaking an accusation that the CIA has been spying on Saudi Arabia, and calling for an international investigation to reveal more presumably classified CIA surveillance, the Turkish intelligence, media, and government have neatly aligned in what seems to be another move designed to keep pressure on the US.


Turkey says the CIA has a 'smoking gun' tape nailing the Saudi crown prince in the Khashoggi case
https://www.businessinsider.com/turkey-cia-has-a-wiretap-nailing-saudis-prince-in-the-khashoggi-case-2018-11
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Nov 22, 2018 23:57:05   #
SteveS wrote:
You aren't smart enough to know the difference between font and type, so I'm not going to take the time to answer a question I would have to explain over and over for you to understand.


So far you haven't answered any questions, so why would we believe that that is the real reason you are refusing to answer the question?

Oh, also your assertion above is outdated. font and type are now used interchangeably.

Originally, the typeface is a particular design of type, while a font is a type in a particular size and weight. In short, a typeface usually gathers many fonts. Nowadays, with the digital design of documents, you often see those two words used rather interchangeably.
Nov 16, 2012
typography - What is the difference between a font and a typeface ...
https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/.../what-is-the-difference-between-a-font-and-a...
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Nov 22, 2018 23:48:36   #
RichardSM wrote:
You need too stop eating those poppyseeds three times a day that grow in state, your hallucinating like Nancy P.

Hmmm. Are you saying we have a fake president? Or that the Orange Howler Monkey's warnings are fake news? Or are you saying his words are fake?

If I were to choose, I would wish that Trump is a fake president. It would be nice if it were true - that none of this is real, it's all just a hallucination, and that I could somehow wake up and the Orange Pumpkinhead is not really our president. I've been hoping to wake up out of this nightmare for almost 2 years now. No luck yet.
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Nov 22, 2018 23:30:22   #
SteveS wrote:
You seem to do a lot of pre judging, but I understand coming from your type.


Interesting that you wouldn't confirm or deny.
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Nov 22, 2018 23:27:53   #
SteveS wrote:
Just what is my type?


Let's put it this way. It sure as hell isn't courier, helvetica, or palatino. More likely wingdings or wingdings bold.
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Nov 22, 2018 23:14:23   #
EyeSawYou wrote:
Calling ME a nazi, that's rich coming from you who thinks the Constitution is a Nazi document and that the Founding Fathers are Nazi's lol.


looks like I am living in your head 24/7/365 days a year rent free still. LOL

Thanks for the free rent!
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Nov 22, 2018 23:12:08   #
EyeSawYou wrote:
Kinda like Addictinginfo, Politucus and Rawstory making millions spreading false and fake news to gullible left wingers such as yourself.


Nope.

Someday you will have to learn that "false and fake news" is not at all synonymous with facts that you don't like, no matter how convinced you are that it is.
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Nov 22, 2018 23:08:53   #
thom w wrote:
You think they are worth anything?


Alex Jones has managed to become a multi-millionaire taking advantage of the gullibility of wingers to believe just about anything, interspersed with his adds for penile enlargement pills, end-of-the-world survival kits, and guns. Which I suspect might all be the same product item, but I can't prove it.
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Nov 22, 2018 23:04:06   #
EyeSawYou wrote:
LOL more BS nonsense Trump didn't butt heads with Justice Roberts again, looks like Trump is living in your head 24/7/365 days a year rent free still. LOL


You're a loyal Nazi.
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