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Jul 3, 2018 16:42:07   #
You may find the following link interesting insofar as maintaining a constant angle on your laptop monitor. Might also facilitate color calibration.
Good luck. George


https://www.outdoorphotogear.com/acratech-laptop-viewing-angle-gauge/
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May 18, 2018 15:06:15   #
Nice capture JS. I saw one of these on my lawn last night and thought it was an off color robin. I went into the house to get my camera but he was gone when I returned. Thanks for posting.
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Dec 20, 2017 21:23:54   #
hankswan wrote:
you might want to take a look at the inexpensive computer microscopes. You can buy for less that $80 and have a large picture on your computer screen that is from 10X up to 60x or so. (You can buy much higher magnifications with a much higher price) I bought one on eBay for $60 and it is well made with good quality work. I use it to check gemstones for flaws and faceted faces for potential re-cutting and/or re-polishing. Most come with software and very easy to setup and use. A standard jeweler's loupe does not show enough area to be useful. You can also take a look at map makers magnifiers that are on legs the right height to focus on a map (or other printed matter). Hank
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Thanks for your suggestion Hank. I appreciate that you took the time to share this information.
George.
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Dec 20, 2017 15:50:34   #
jackm1943 wrote:
Why not just scan a small area of the print at maximum resolution and take a look. That would provide much higher magnification than any loupe, I think, and would not take much time.


Thanks for your input Jack. The process involved is bulk scanning. What you are suggesting would be too time consuming. In general, results are acceptable when digitized. On occasion, some scans are not acceptable to the customer and in this case we need to determine if the original is the cause or not. We can then better manage the solution with the customer when the original can physically be magnified for investigation as needed.
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Dec 20, 2017 15:40:53   #
John_F wrote:
When I was doing minerology the 10x loupe was recommended. I still have it.


Thanks John, your recommendation is in line with others who suggest 10x magnification.

George.
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Dec 20, 2017 15:38:52   #
RWR wrote:
I wouldn’t think you’d need more than 10X. I have a 6X Rodenstock loupe that covers an entire 24 x 36mm negative, which I use for ground-glass focusing and examining finished prints. I use a 15X Peak #2016 loupe for evaluating transparencies. I don’t know about the cheap knock-offs, but I also have an original Agfa 8X loupe that is quite sharp except for the very edges.


Thanks for this information RWR. Along with other suggestions loupe wise, it puts me in the ball park and will help me make a more informed selection. Much appreciated.

George
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Dec 20, 2017 14:04:12   #
CPR wrote:
I'm a photographer so tend to look to photographic solutions to problems. I would put my macro lens on the camera and take a photo of the item to be scanned. Once I had a collection of macro shots of different items I would have a way to predict the output of the scanning process.


Thanks for your input CPR. Please refer to my post replying to Ron and Ricardo at the beginning of this thread. My premise is that if the digital file is grainy after scanning, a loupe hopefully will allow a better analysis for the source print than the naked eye. From there, expectations can be better managed. Unfortunately I did not sufficiently expand in my first post.

George
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Dec 20, 2017 13:19:53   #
amfoto1 wrote:
Exactly what are you scanning?

Digital images that were printed? Those would possibly have pixelization (and possibly "noise"), but not grain.

Traditional photographic prints? Those may show some grain (depending upon the ISO/ASA of the original negative or slide), but won't show any pixelization.

Black & white prints typically exhibit more grain than color prints. But it really depends a lot upon the original film type and the printing method used.

If you are scanning half-tones such as images in books, magazines and newspapers, those will exhibit dot patterns that make up those images. Magazines and books are commonly 120 to 180 dpi or higher. Newspapers are commonly under 120 dpi. Monochrome images will show the dot pattern more obviously than full process (4-color) printing where there's often some perceptual blending of the multiple inks.

Whenever you scan there is some "gain" with grain, noise or pixelization... Each new generation of an image tends to add a little (or a lot if done carelessly). They can be kept to a minimum with careful post-processing and some scanning software can automatically reduce them (ICE, Silverfast AI, etc.), but you may see some loss of fine detail if those are applied too heavily. More sophisticated NR software might be helpful too. (I use Lightroom's, Photoshop's, as well as Photoshop plug-ins Nik Dfine and Imagenomic Noiseware. The last is the most sophisticated and versatile.)

Like some others, I really don't see any purpose to a loupe. It is what it is. What really matters is the unmagnified appearance of any digital file displayed online or any print that's made from the original. Size reductions would minimize the appearance, while any enlargement will tend to amplify it.

Note: Viewing digital files "at 100% in Photoshop" is actually pretty silly. A file from a 24MP camera that's displayed on a typical monitor is like making a 40x60" print, then viewing it from 18 or 20" away... far larger and far closer than most "real world" uses. If making an 8x10 or 11x14 print from that file, it would make a lot more sense to evaluate image pixelization, sharpness, graininess, noise and even focus "at 25% or 33%". Sure, it's fine to zoom in to high magnification while doing fine retouching and corrections to images.... But it's unrealistic for a lot of the evaluations. Depending upon the resolution you scan at, you might bee seeing similarly ridiculously over-magnified images "at 100%" on your monitor... far beyond what you'll actually be using.
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Thank you for taking the time to provide such a detailed response Alan. To provide some answers and clarification please refer to my post replying to Ron and Ricardo at the beginning of this thread. My premise is that if the digital file is grainy after scanning, a loupe hopefully will allow a better analysis for the source print than the naked eye. From there, expectations can be better managed.

I had not taken the factors in your ''note'' into consideration as I usually deal with 6 to 10 mpx digital photo files and up to 8x10 print size. This says that I am not a pro and that I am exploring an assumption to determine if it can be applied.

George
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Dec 20, 2017 13:00:29   #
RWR wrote:
I referred to your original post ... “would like to know which magnification ratio loupe would provide the equivalent 100% magnification in Photoshop.”


Actually I want to evaluate an original source photo that was scanned and presented noise or grain in the scanned file. A loupe would theoretically provide a better view than the naked eye on an original source photo. From other replies I've received, loupes are mainly used for slides and negatives. I will probably purchase one that was recommended and see the results for myself. Thanks again for your input.
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Dec 20, 2017 12:04:36   #
RWR wrote:
Should be simple enough. Photograph a finely graduated scale, blow it up 100%, and see for yourself how much it was magnified.


Thank for your interest RWR. Please refer to my post replying to Ron and Ricardo at the beginning of this thread. My premise is that if the digital file is grainy after scanning, a loupe hopefully will allow a better analysis for the source print than the naked eye. From there, expectations can be better managed.
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Dec 20, 2017 11:57:56   #
PixHound wrote:
I've been carrying a 10X "Hastings Triplet" for years. Compact and great optics. Never felt the need for more power.


Thanks you for replying PixHound, much appreciated.
George
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Dec 20, 2017 11:53:57   #
Kiron Kid wrote:
I use two Fujifilm 10x loupes for glassing my negs and slides.


Thanks for your suggestion KK.

George
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Dec 20, 2017 11:52:01   #
Kishka wrote:
Skip the cheap Chinese loupes, they usually are sharp only in the center, blurry as you view outward. Look for a recognizable brand, preferably with a glass lens. I use an old Fujifilm loupe, 10x, and one from Polychrome, 6x?, who manufactured ortho film for the printing trade. Both show a flat field of focus. The 10x was used to check 35mm negs for sharpness in my film days and should be adequate for your needs.


Thanks for the information; much appreciated.
George
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Dec 20, 2017 11:50:08   #
jeryh wrote:
Try and find the Leica Loupe; they are still available, and do the job, but they are a tad expensive, but you could always look at second hand ones.


Thanks for your reply Jeryh, It's appreciated.
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Dec 20, 2017 11:49:07   #
[quote=rgrenaderphoto]I do not think a loupe is going to do what you want it to do. Is the "grain" actually noise in the image? If the objectionable images are scanned from printed photos, then of course there is going to be some image degradation as part of the transfer process. Imperfections in the prints are only going to be magnified when scanned.

Thank you very much for your reply. I agree with your evaluation and my objective is to analyze the source print to evaluate the level of noise. Loupe magnification should be superior to viewing with the naked eye.
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