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May 31, 2018 10:57:18   #
montephoto
 
rmalarz said: You can convert your files to DNG format. The converter is free from Adobe. However, don't discard your original RAW files as the DNG conversion doesn't retain all of the EXIF data that you may want to review at sometime in the future.

Could you please explain which EXIF data is NOT retained when using DNG?

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May 31, 2018 11:09:24   #
lsimpkins Loc: SE Pennsylvania
 
scg3 wrote:
Has anyone had any experience with Canon EOS 6D Mark IIs and its RAW downloads in Photoshop CS6? They don't open! Adobe's website says to install Adobe RAW 9.1.1 to solve the problem and although I tried that I either didn't do it right or it doesn't work ... does anyone know if the current version of Photoshop Elements would work with my new camera?

CS6 accepts up to ACR version 9.1.1 (https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-compatible-applications.html), while PSE15 ships with 9.6 and will accept up to 9.10. Adobe says that the 6D Mark II requires at least ACR 9.12 (see https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html).

So, you may have installed 9.1.1 correctly, but that won't solve the problem. Your choices, if you wish to stay with the Adobe family, are DNG conversion or the CC Photography bundle.

Edit: Note that the first link I provided is a little dated. I am looking for a recent update. I believe that the latest version of PSE will accept a version of ACR that will work with the 6D MII.

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May 31, 2018 11:27:08   #
elliott937 Loc: St. Louis
 
I doubt that anyone would want to hear this, but ... when I bought my Lumix TZ80 (to get into and out of Europe without our Homeland Security Secretary saying 'no DSLRs in the cabin') I learned that my Photoshop CS5 would not open the RAW files from the camera. BUT, since I had already purchased Affinity Photo (mostly out of curiosity), I learned that Affinity -could- open the Lumix RAW files. Then I could export the photo over to PS. Workaround? Yes, but I already had the Affinity. Just an FYI.

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May 31, 2018 11:57:40   #
Rickyb
 
Yes CS6 in Micro 10, will not work with raw. Use the Cannon software to open raw as tif and then go from there. Adobe likes to give you the business. I cannot open raw from previous Cannons on new computer with M 10. Adobe likes to make money, they want their 10$ per month. With Adobe you do it their way or no way.

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May 31, 2018 12:05:58   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
scg3 wrote:
Has anyone had any experience with Canon EOS 6D Mark IIs and its RAW downloads in Photoshop CS6? They don't open! Adobe's website says to install Adobe RAW 9.1.1 to solve the problem and although I tried that I either didn't do it right or it doesn't work. Very annoying! I called Canon and they walked me through Digital Photo Professional 4, which opens the RAW files but creates one more step that I'd rather avoid. The Canon guy also said that it's likely I'd have to upgrade to Photoshop CC, which has a monthly fee. This would be annoying since my CS6 still works well. Failing any of this, does anyone know if the current version of Photoshop Elements would work with my new camera?

Thanks in advance for anyone's informed advice! -- Spencer Grant
Has anyone had any experience with Canon EOS 6D Ma... (show quote)


Perhaps you aren't doing the update (upgrade) properly. To get your version of Photoshop up to date properly, Open PS, go to the top menus and click on Help, then go down the list and find Updates. Follow the prompts and make sure your computer is connected to the internet. It should do the update automatically. Restart your computer when it's done and see if the raw images will open. You can also search Adobe's web site and see if the 6D II is compatible with CS6. I don't know when Adobe stops supporting CS6 with new camera models but if the Adobe website says it's compatible with the 6D II then the update should do the trick. If not, then it's probably not going to work. You'll have to upgrade to the CC version or take the extra steps in Canons DPP.

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May 31, 2018 12:08:05   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
scg3 wrote:
Has anyone had any experience with Canon EOS 6D Mark IIs and its RAW downloads in Photoshop CS6? They don't open! Adobe's website says to install Adobe RAW 9.1.1 to solve the problem and although I tried that I either didn't do it right or it doesn't work. Very annoying! I called Canon and they walked me through Digital Photo Professional 4, which opens the RAW files but creates one more step that I'd rather avoid. The Canon guy also said that it's likely I'd have to upgrade to Photoshop CC, which has a monthly fee. This would be annoying since my CS6 still works well. Failing any of this, does anyone know if the current version of Photoshop Elements would work with my new camera?

Thanks in advance for anyone's informed advice! -- Spencer Grant
Has anyone had any experience with Canon EOS 6D Ma... (show quote)


If you want to purchase a software, I'd highly recommend Lightroom 6 instead of Elements. Lightroom interfaces with Photoshop very well and the last version of LR (6.12) is compatible with 6D Mark II, according to the Adobe website.

Photoshop CS6 (which I use, too) cannot be updated enough to work with 6D Mark II. Adobe Camera Raw 9.12 or later is required for your camera. The final update of ACR for PS CS6 was 9.1.1, which you've installed. You would have to get Photoshop CC via "cloud" subscription, in order to be able to use ACR 9.12 or later. You are probably aware the subscription costs $120 a year now (incl. both PS and LR).

Adobe stopped updates for CS6 a couple years earlier than LR6. Neither of them will be updated any further, so will not work with the most recently introduced cameras. But LR6 updates were only discontinued last year, so it's able to handle 6DII. LR6 is still widely available on DVD or by download, for about $150. Getting it would also provide you a powerful cataloger and image organizer, in addition to a relatively seamless interface with PS CS6 (the two are actually designed to work together).

A free alternative would be to download and use the free Adobe DNG Converter, as others have mentioned. If you do that, I recommend you archive both the DNG and the original CR2 files from your camera. Don't dispose of your CR2s! Some day you may want them to work with in another software. DNG works pretty darned well with Adobe products, but some users have noted "issues" when using other image editing & optimization programs to work with DNG, and regret not saving their original files. (Search for info about DNG problems online, if interested.)

P.S. I nearly forgot.... If you happen to have an older version of Lightroom (4 or 5, I think)... there was a cheaper $99 "upgrade" to LR6 available that I took advantage of. It's only available when bought directly from the Adobe website as a download and is very well hidden ! You have to put the regular version in your "cart" and start the checkout process, then look for a little pull-down menu, where Adobe has carefully hidden the upgrade. It's almost as if they don't want you to upgrade! When you buy a full version of LR, it's licensed to install and use on two or three computers. Supposedly the upgrade is limited to one computer... but I had no problem installing it on both my desktop and laptop (where I had LR5 on both previously).

Also, if you buy LR6 on disc... and possibly even some downloads from other than the Adobe site... you may get an earlier version and need to update it to get to the latest and greatest (and last) version 6.12, which will work with your camera. If downloaded direct from Adobe, I would expect it to be the latest (last) version.

P.S.S. I learned my lesson the hard way many years ago, so I always check software/camera compatibility before buying. About 10 years ago I upgraded from a Canon 30D cameras to a couple 50Ds. Turned out that my version of Photoshop (forget which, but it was before LR existed IIRC) wouldn't work with the new cameras. So I had to update Photoshop, too.... for an additional $250 or so at that time. But, it turned out that the latest Photoshop wouldn't work with my computer's operating system... and I was looking at another $150 for that! However, the latest and greatest PS really wouldn't run well on my old computer's CPU and RAM... I finally ended up buying & building a whole new computer instead... for an additional $1500 or so. That was a VERY expensive camera upgrade, in the end!

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May 31, 2018 14:50:01   #
PhotosBySteve
 
Another free workaround is to get the free dng converter https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/digital-negative.html
This will convert your native raw files to Adobe's universal raw file format. Which, will allow most raw editors to work with the file.
I have been converting all of my raw files from different brand and model cameras for years with no problem. I let Lightroom do this for me automatically after it saves my original native raw file to a separate location. From there all of my work is done with the dng file. Another benefit to this approach, is that all of the edits can stay with the dng file, so a separate side-car file is no longer necessary. Which eliminates the risk of loosing the link between the individual raw and side-car files.

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May 31, 2018 15:02:37   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
rmalarz wrote:
I can understand your frustration. You can convert your files to DNG format. The converter is free from Adobe. However, don't discard your original RAW files as the DNG conversion doesn't retain all of the EXIF data that you may want to review at sometime in the future.

Additionally, there may be some fumbling around if you wish to save your ACR files and xmp sidecar files with the DNG instead of saving them inside the DNG file.

Otherwise, welcome to the unwanted side effects of GAS.
--Bob
I can understand your frustration. You can convert... (show quote)


That is a great comment, "welcome to the unwanted side effects of GAS." ACR 9.1.1 is as far as you can go with Ps CS6. I'm using Ps CS6 with ACR 9.1.1, and I think I'm at my limit for use on any new cameras with out using the Adobe DNG Converter. My newest camera is a Pentax K-3. And it is OK with ACR 9.1.1 but a K-3 mk ii would not be.

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May 31, 2018 15:18:39   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Gene51 wrote:
I think you'll find the performance and capability improvements in PS CC to be worth abandoning CS6, not to mention that it will always be compatible with your future cameras and lenses. Elements is OK, but limited. If you have a camera that is not supported by your software, and there is no possible upgrade path - it's hard to understand your statement that it is working well. You pay for software either through it's version licensing fees, or a monthly fee - either way you pay. I pay mine annually, because I hate the monthly thing too.And the cost of PS/CC on a yearly basis is consistent with what I pay On1, DXO, Capture One and other titles that I use.
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Exactly. You - or somebody - pays for legitimate software, and it costs a lot to develop the software. I've done the math for myself, and Adobe CC is much better value than perpetually licensed Photoshop. It is better for the consumer and it is better for Adobe which becomes a recursive win - win.

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May 31, 2018 15:49:47   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
elliott937 wrote:
....Almost every time I would visit Micro Center, I would overhear someone say they have Photoshop on their computer, and they would proudly say that they didn't pay a penny for it. I was always angered to hear this, for it is so dishonest. Yet I would hear that story so often.....so often I don't blame Adobe for no longer selling it, and providing it only by subscription. As a life long teacher, I suspect no one on here would be surprised to hear me say this.


I agree completely with your ethical argument, but in some ways I fit your description. I have a lot of software that I didn't pay a penny for, but it is legitimate and has been paid for, just by my employer at the time. I kept the install kits and the activation codes, and they still work. Personally I do not consider that to be dishonest, the developer has been paid, and my use is within their user agreement terms.

In the context of this discussion, I have a full copy of Adobe CS3, although I very seldom use it. I tried to get an upgrade to a newer version of PS, but there was no upgrade discount available, just $600 for a new version. Once Adobe sorted out their pricing for the LR/PS bundle - initially the pricing was simply wrong - I very happily signed up for Adobe CC. I don't use it as much as I should, but $10 per month - paid monthly or yearly - is much better value.

A semi-decent glass of wine in a bar or restaurant frequently costs that much, and I drink more than one glass of wine a month. The same could be said for a few cups of decent coffee. The same can be said of the choice of vehicle people choose to drive and how they use it, say a truck or a Prius. Nothing wrong with driving a truck, but if all you do is a short trip to the store then that's a poor economic decision.

We all have choices, and hopefully as 'a life long teacher' you taught your children well!

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May 31, 2018 16:09:15   #
elliott937 Loc: St. Louis
 
Pete, I totally agree with your logic. And that copy from work -was- totally paid for, so I think your code of ethics is totally intact. The initial copy of PS was too expensive, in my humble opinion, $600+. But I wanted it, so that's that. I learned that you could update for about $200+, perhaps a bit too much also, but I was fine as long as the upgrades had significant value. For that reason, I skipped every other year. Adobe stated that you could not skip more than one of the upgrade, so they had me for every other upgrade....and the every-other-upgrade did have a good amount of enhancements.

On a very parallel note, let me ask you (and other members here) a concerning question. In general, I've found that "upgrades" mean that I lose a piece of software I've purchased, or I lose a piece of hardware, like a scanner or printer. And on here, I read nearly all new posts. I constantly read post by users who found that their PSCC stopped, or just partially worked because of a PSCC upgrade. How bad is that a problem here?

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May 31, 2018 16:38:06   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
elliott937 wrote:
Pete, I totally agree with your logic. And that copy from work -was- totally paid for, so I think your code of ethics is totally intact. The initial copy of PS was too expensive, in my humble opinion, $600+. But I wanted it, so that's that. I learned that you could update for about $200+, perhaps a bit too much also, but I was fine as long as the upgrades had significant value. For that reason, I skipped every other year. Adobe stated that you could not skip more than one of the upgrade, so they had me for every other upgrade....and the every-other-upgrade did have a good amount of enhancements.

On a very parallel note, let me ask you (and other members here) a concerning question. In general, I've found that "upgrades" mean that I lose a piece of software I've purchased, or I lose a piece of hardware, like a scanner or printer. And on here, I read nearly all new posts. I constantly read post by users who found that their PSCC stopped, or just partially worked because of a PSCC upgrade. How bad is that a problem here?
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Thank you. Personally I haven't had a problem with upgrades. I use Windows 10, the latest update, and sure I sometimes need to resolve a few device driver issues, but it works just fine. I'm still using some very old technology, some works better on Windows 10 than it did with Windows 7.

I'm still using PaintShopPro 6 from about the mid 90s, although I do have newer versions. It's simple and plenty good enough for web images. For prints I use the latest version of Canon DDP4 and 16bit printing, unless I want PS, and the hand off between DPP and PS is seamless.

I have several very old hardware peripherals still working - a PALM Tx, and HP Laserjet 1012 still working also. It did take some effort to find the right combination of drivers, but they work.

Many of the problems can be solved, it may take a little work, but not supported and doesn't work are not the same thing.

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May 31, 2018 16:47:17   #
elliott937 Loc: St. Louis
 
I find your info encouraging. To which, I need to add...I'm using an iMac. So I'm wondering what upgrade problems iMac users have been experiencing.

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May 31, 2018 16:58:13   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
elliott937 wrote:
I find your info encouraging. To which, I need to add...I'm using an iMac. So I'm wondering what upgrade problems iMac users have been experiencing.


I can't help with that. My wife used to use a Mac - one of the early ones - and it died, just when she was completing her master's thesis. She got though and graduated, then ended up using a Windows PC. Her opinion on the Mac being intuitive was "intuitive is what you know". I find Mac's to be confusing. I do think that the design is better than Windows, but there is a learning curve with most things. I can help my 90 year old mother-in-law with Windows 10, but not another very close friend that has a Mac.

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May 31, 2018 17:34:27   #
DebAnn Loc: Toronto
 
I had the exact same issue with my first 6D Mark II shoot when I tried to upload the pics to Lightroom 6. I just had to make sure that the very latest upgrade to LR6 had been done. I expect the same issue exists with Photoshop CS6 due to the new camera recognition.
scg3 wrote:
Has anyone had any experience with Canon EOS 6D Mark IIs and its RAW downloads in Photoshop CS6? They don't open! Adobe's website says to install Adobe RAW 9.1.1 to solve the problem and although I tried that I either didn't do it right or it doesn't work. Very annoying! I called Canon and they walked me through Digital Photo Professional 4, which opens the RAW files but creates one more step that I'd rather avoid. The Canon guy also said that it's likely I'd have to upgrade to Photoshop CC, which has a monthly fee. This would be annoying since my CS6 still works well. Failing any of this, does anyone know if the current version of Photoshop Elements would work with my new camera?

Thanks in advance for anyone's informed advice! -- Spencer Grant
Has anyone had any experience with Canon EOS 6D Ma... (show quote)

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