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Apr 11, 2018 16:14:30   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
I will never understand why folk get so adamant about issues like this. I can't see DSLRs disappearing any times soon and I have nothing against mirrorless cameras. Nor do I feel there should be a "law against" skylight filters, post processing, portrait retouching or the use of electronic flash, one way or the other. There is a time and a place for any kind of gear in photography and it is up to each individual photographer as to choices, options and methods.

All of theses issues are debatable. If a photographer prefers to stick to whatever he or she is using or doing, that does not mean that they are reactionary, foolish, in denial or are opposed to progress or advancements in technology.

I am certainly not "stingy" when it comes to purchasing high end gear, my account and lovely wife can attest to that. Before I re-tool, invest in different systems, I carefully asses the situation. If the new stuff will enable me to improve or enhance the quality of my photography, get me past any limitations of my present gear, improve efficiency or production, allow me to enter new markets, and seeing that am in business, I need to justify justify the expenditure. If all of this pans out, I'm in! If not, all I am buying into is some new and shiny but superfluous hardware and wasted money.

PerhasI have a different perspective. I used to shoot weddings with a 4x5 Linhoff press camera- with onboard flash, the thing weigh in at 11 pounds- I managed. After that I went a motor driven Hasselblad system (kinda noisy) and my flash power pack had an audible whine. Compared to my current DSLR and light gear, in a cavernous church, that rig sounded like a lit up police car coming up the aisle! Point is, I never lost a shot because of "mirror slap" and I never had noise complaints from the clergy or anyone else! Nowadays with my current DSLR equipment I can move around like a cat and there are no issues.

If you do landscape photography, still life, studio work and are not working on the fly, what's the big deal with reflex noise, vibration etc. Yo work on a tripod, lock up the mirror and go! By the same token, if you can manage with an electronic image in the viewfinder and can access the range of lens types and focal lengths, I can't find anythg wrong with a mirrorless camera. If you need more compact and lighter weight gear that mirrorless is the ticket.

My dealer let me try out a demo mirrorless camera for a couple of days. It took me awhile to get used to the viewfinder image and I found it not quite as easy to visually assess depth of field in critical selective focus situations- something I could get used to.

I am always will to learn and embrace new ideas and methods. In my professional work I do portraiture, I still shoot weddings, 60% of my work is in the commercial and industrial field. I do a lot of food and beverage advertising jobs, a bit of fashion, assignments on industrial and construction sites, product illustration and architectural interiors and exteriors. My main cameras are a Canon DSLR system and a digitized medium format camera system. I still have some large format film gear wich is used occasionally. So- if anyone can advise me how a mirrorless camera system would fit into this scenario, I am all ears- I am not being facetious or sarcastic.

On vacations and just foolin' around I just pack my Canon and a 24-105 Zoom and my cell phone camera- perhaps a nice little mirrorless would be cool!
I will never understand why folk get so adamant ab... (show quote)



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Apr 11, 2018 16:16:45   #
chippy65 Loc: Cambridge
 
I think we are all a bit spoilt for choice and beguiled by the advertising people.The kit,however expensive, doesnt see the shot.

Bit like motor cars.......some people like big traditional USA "gas guzzlers" and others like underpowered "puddle-jumpers"

whatever floats your boat.

It certainly got a lot of opinions and responses.

perhaps next time a discussion on the merits of bird photography versus flower photos would be good ?

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Apr 11, 2018 16:19:06   #
elliott937 Loc: St. Louis
 
I think everyone will be happy and relaxed as long as they remember they are comparing 'apples' and 'oranges'.

Since I own both, I'd be less than honest if I didn't site the LCD 'viewscreen', showing a .jpg. And the Lumix camera I bought actually has both, a large view screen on the back, and an eye viewer that switches over. But they are view screens. While the DLSR has pure optical view.

So if I want to take a 'pocket' camera with me daily, the mirrorless Lumix is perfect. If I really want to capture the best essence, it will be the DSLR. And that's not slamming the captures on the mirrorless. But, it is still 'apples' and 'oranges'.

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Apr 11, 2018 16:25:54   #
gwilliams6
 
TheDman wrote:
Heh, does shooting at the Derby require your shots to be out of focus like the one in your article?

I've shot more horse racing than you. And I'll take properly focused shots from my OVF, thanks.


You have no idea how many horse races and other top pro sports i have shot in four decades of my pro career. Certainly the photographer's skill makes more difference than any certain gear. I have shot TWO Triple Crown Winning Races as well as numerous other classic horse races, turf, grass, thoroughbred, quarterhorse, steeplechase, show horse etc. I have also shot top Pro Football, Stanley Cup finals, Four World Series, NBA Finals, NCCA Basketball Finals, Pro Soccer, Men and Women's Pro Golf, Pro Tennis including US Open, Olympic Athletes swimmers and Track and Field, NASCAR, Indy Car, CART, IMSA, SCCA, Hydroplane boats, Air Races, and more.

I have won World Press and POY Awards with my sports photos.

Look at the links to the mirrorless shots from the Winter Olympics, US Open tennis and US Open Golf. Fast action is no problem for mirrorless cameras that can track ,focus and shoot at 20fps ,with NO mirror blackout like DSLRs. Get real here. There is no longer A SINGLE thing that a DSLR can do that a mirrorless can't also do nowadays, and often the mirrorless can do it better,faster and for less money.

Was there ever a shot I got out-of-focus when shooting sports and racing in specific, sure. But that has happened with my top Canon and Nikon DSLRs and well as any mirrorless. The fact remains that the latest Mirroless systems in Sony's trilogy of top cameras the A9, A7RIII, and new A7III can capture any sport or fast moving subject, with great accurate tracking and continuous focus as well as ANY Canon or Nikon DSLR on the market, including $6500 1Ds and 5Ds , and for less money.

DSLRs aren't bad and mirrorless good. There is no perfect camera system, none from anyone. But as a pro that can afford ANY system I want, I choose to switch to mirrorless for a host of reasons. There is nothing I miss about the quality, performance or use of my DSLRs. I made award-winning shots and lots of money with my DSLRs, and I continue to make stunning art and professional shots for my clients and my personal shots with my mirrorless gear.

DSLRs wont completely disappear as long as people are willing to buy them. But more and more folks will embrace the future of mirrorless tech, here now for all of us.
Cheers

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Apr 11, 2018 16:29:18   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
I have shot TWO Triple Crown Winning Races as well as numerous other classic horse races, turf, grass, thoroughbred, quarterhorse, steeplechase, show horse etc.


I don't just shoot the top, I shoot the everyday low-end races as well. That's why I know I've shot more.


gwilliams6 wrote:
I have won World Press and POY Awards with my sports photos.


No doubt with shots that were way better than that Sony a9 shot at the Derby!

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Apr 11, 2018 16:58:04   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
repleo wrote:
The war of the viewfinders may be coming to an end. Interesting article on DP Review. Some quotes: -

"This year we sat down with leaders from (in alphabetical order) Canon, Fujifilm, Olympus, Panasonic, Ricoh, Sigma, Sony and Tamron to learn more about how they see the market, and to get an indication of what might be coming down the road.

Full-frame mirrorless will become the norm, and it will happen pretty soon

This year, almost all the executives we spoke to seemed to agree on one thing: full-frame mirrorless will become the norm, and it will happen pretty soon.

..... One is the mirrorless market: new, energetic, and increasingly packed with advanced autofocus systems and high-end video features. And the other is the DSLR market, dominated by increasingly non-essential iterative updates at the low-end..... "

Nikon seems to be conspicuous by its absence.

You can read the whole artiicle here. https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/5014039475/cp-2018-interviews-the-reign-of-the-dslr-is-almost-over?ref_=pe_1822230_279979850_dpr_nl_308_5
The war of the viewfinders may be coming to an end... (show quote)



IF this true, it will be a boon for DSLR users, because the price of used DSLRs will plummet.

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Apr 11, 2018 17:07:43   #
Bobnewnan
 
Well, I'm 81 so my d500 and I will ride off into the sunset together, with my backup 7200 tagging along.

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Apr 11, 2018 17:10:27   #
gwilliams6
 
TheDman wrote:
No doubt with shots that were way better than that Sony a9 shot at the Derby!


Thanks for the kind words. And trust me in my long photojournalism career i have enjoyed and shot all levels of sports from kiddie, junior high, to High school, College and pros , and amateur levels of swimming, racing, horse racing etc. Some of my favorite and award-winning shots have been at lower and amateur levels.

I mean no disrespect to your horse racing coverage. I take you at your word here that you may have more horse racing coverage under your belt . I tell you I have more race photos in focus than out. A better test of the A9 was the later Winter Olympics ,US Open shots, Super Bowl etc. I don't personally know that Derby photog. That first A9 shot was shortly after the first release of the A9. If you don't know how to set the correct auto focus mode you can get fooled relying on any camera's autofocus system, DSLR and mirrorless. A9 did great at multitude of fast sporting events in the hands of other shooters. Sony cameras have multiple AF settings and some suit certain types of sports better than other settings. If you would try one out you would see there is no EVF lag and these cameras focus at 60 AF/AE calculations per second, with 20fps and no viewfinder blackout. They deliver stunning sports performance and that is why a growing number of top sport pros are switching from DSLR to the A9. Not all and not right away, for there is understandable hesitance, trepidation and even fear in switching out of your comfort zone, but a growing number switch very week.

Quote from linked article (below) from World Photography Organization: "A new standard of speed, focusing accuracy - Sony a9. The most technologically advanced, innovative digital camera that Sony has ever created, the new α9 offers a level of imaging performance that is simply unmatched by any camera ever created – mirrorless, SLR or otherwise. "
https://www.worldphoto.org/blogs/21-04-17/new-standard-speed-focusing-accuracy-sony-a9

A poor operator can mess up even the finest machine or greatest horse. lol

Cheers

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Apr 11, 2018 17:49:06   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
elliott937 wrote:
If I really want to capture the best essence, it will be the DSLR. And that's not slamming the captures on the mirrorless. But, it is still 'apples' and 'oranges'.


That is total cow manur. If you mean that a pocket camera that happens to be mirrorless vs an APSC or FF dslr, than that is indeed Apple to oranges.

But not because mirrorless vs dslr, but due to sensor size difference.

I guarantee you that you couldn’t tell the difference with same sensor size cameras.

I hope you are not, but to say that mirrorless is not capable to capture as well as a dslrs is b.s.

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Apr 11, 2018 18:41:27   #
Bar Loc: da 'YouPee', eh!
 
You are doomed...

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Apr 11, 2018 18:49:22   #
redhogbill Loc: antelope, calif
 
19104 wrote:
I have used a lot of different cameras is my time as a photographer. And the Death Knell for different kinds of cameras has been rung many times. But, there are always someone hanging on to the old way of doing things. I don't see it happening. in my humble opinion.




agreed!....................... and 35mm film is on a come back!!!

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Apr 11, 2018 18:58:32   #
gwilliams6
 
aellman wrote:
IF this true, it will be a boon for DSLR users, because the price of used DSLRs will plummet.


Yes their prices will plummet. Also means you better hold onto them, for their trade-in and resales value will be in the tank. Cheers and be happy with what you have, if you cant see your way to switch.

Why The Sony A7III Just Made Your Camera Gear Less Valuable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBxOu-3RrAQ&t=94s

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Apr 11, 2018 19:06:18   #
gwilliams6
 
Sony a7 III PERFECTION? (7) Reasons the a7 III is the PERFECT Camera for MOST People
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg6ksdkY81U

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Apr 11, 2018 19:40:46   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
rehess wrote:
Please see my response on page 6 @ 10:47:27


I'm not quite sure how to interpret the meaning behind this response although I have noticed I'm not the only one you have responded to in this manner.
By telling me the page and time of your response I believe you are attempting to tell me that you already conveyed the same information that was contained in my response, as if I had plagiarized your response. I don't know if you are upset or have any other type of serious concern about the fact that I responded the way I did or what was in said response but, did it occur to you that maybe, just maybe I was responding in the order of and as I was reading everyone else's responses?! My point, if you haven't figured it out, is I responded to a posting on page 3 and as you pointed out, your response is on page 6 and since I read from the beginning to the end, I did not know your response existed yet. Had I known someone already brought up the EF to EF-M adapter, I would not have unnecessarily brought it up again, for I too don't particularly care for it when people find it necessary to say the same thing over and over again. But, I also realize that due to the structure of the forum, this will happen from time to time, it is inevitable.

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Apr 11, 2018 19:43:48   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
I read an article someone posted a link to here on UHH comparing the mirrorless camera size and weight to DSLR. The bottom line is, if you take away size from the camera body you have to gain it in the lens because physics or something. Really, a 100mm lens has to have a distance of 100mm from the front lens to the sensor. If you make the depth of the camera body smaller you have to make the length of the lens bigger if you want 100mm focal length. It's a fact of nature that can't be gotten around. So you make the body smaller and lighter with forces you, as a manufacturer, to make the lens longer and therefor heavier.

Bottom line is, I don't see DSLR going away because of smaller cameras or lighter cameras. IF they go away it'll be because it's a marketing decision. The manufacturers have to keep bringing us something newer and better or we'd just buy one good camera and keep it for the rest of our lives. They are at the point where improvements are small and incremental. I don't see much changing in the next 10 years. I'm staying with DSLRs. I've got too much invested in glass to sell it off and start over again. Now if I can just convince the wife to let me spring for that full frame $6500 camera.

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