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Sep 26, 2017 14:35:30   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
taxman wrote:
This is supposed to be a prequel to the original series, taking place 10-years before it.


That's one thing I don't like about it. The "Enterprise" series was also a prequel, and some of the technology wasn't there.

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Sep 26, 2017 14:38:27   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Are you saying that his will be available only on All Access?

It is not listed on their TV schedule for the next two weeks. All Access costs $5.99 + tax/month with commercials. Without commercials, it would cost me about $130 a year to watch fifteen episodes. That's almost $9.00 per show. I could get Adobe CC for less than that. Unbelievable!

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Sep 26, 2017 16:20:18   #
Bloke Loc: Waynesboro, Pennsylvania
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Are you saying that his will be available only on All Access?

It is not listed on their TV schedule for the next two weeks. All Access costs $5.99 + tax/month with commercials. Without commercials, it would cost me about $130 a year to watch fifteen episodes. That's almost $9.00 per show. I could get Adobe CC for less than that. Unbelievable!


Yep, that was what the blurb said, only on All-Access... Actually, it did seem a bit strange that there was a whole new Trek show starting, and very little hype or fanfare about it.
I don't get that they keep changing the Klingons, though... We had the TOS makeup, then the TNG turtle-heads, and now this one makes them look completely different again. Even less understandable if this is a prequel, and not set some hundreds of years even further into the future!

I used to be on a Trek forum (I know, sad, isn't it?), and a source of constant debate was the change in their appearance between TOS and TNG... There were all kinds of theories about explosions on Kronos, or some kind of genetic disease... They got very upset when I dared to suggest it was just a difference in the budget for makeup between the 2 shows!

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Sep 26, 2017 16:26:40   #
FuManChu
 
Thanks for all your imput.

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Sep 26, 2017 17:02:58   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Bloke wrote:
Yep, that was what the blurb said, only on All-Access... Actually, it did seem a bit strange that there was a whole new Trek show starting, and very little hype or fanfare about it.
I don't get that they keep changing the Klingons, though... We had the TOS makeup, then the TNG turtle-heads, and now this one makes them look completely different again. Even less understandable if this is a prequel, and not set some hundreds of years even further into the future!

I used to be on a Trek forum (I know, sad, isn't it?), and a source of constant debate was the change in their appearance between TOS and TNG... There were all kinds of theories about explosions on Kronos, or some kind of genetic disease... They got very upset when I dared to suggest it was just a difference in the budget for makeup between the 2 shows!
Yep, that was what the blurb said, only on All-Acc... (show quote)


Yes, it's surprising that they changed the Klingons. They seemed to have them down right in TNG. Since they looked different in TOS, they could have kept them like that. Maybe I'll try the free All Access and take a look. I think it's funny that the "special" broadcast didn't get to show the whole episode. They probably hope that the free offer will let people see two episodes and then get them hooked.

CBS is probably gambling that they can raise more money through subscription than through advertising. If they are successful, I can see all of TV going the subscription route.

What will happen to this down the road? Will it be shown in reruns? If not, they'll be losing a lot of money. If the series is rerun, the people who had to pay won't be too happy. I have other things going on in my life, so this new series will have to get along without me

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Sep 26, 2017 17:14:54   #
Strange
 
They will probably offer it on DVD.

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Sep 26, 2017 17:20:14   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Strange wrote:
They will probably offer it on DVD.


I bet they will, and when my library gets it, I'll watch it.

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Sep 26, 2017 17:29:41   #
whitewolfowner
 
Bloke wrote:
Recorded the show on my dvr, and sat down last night to watch it. Turns out that the previous show (60 minutes...) ran more than 20 minutes late, so I knew I would only have half of the new one. Tried looking for other broadcast times: nothing. Tried looking in the 'on demand' section: nothing. Looked in the schedule to find episode 2, as they sometimes repeat the first episode immediately before it: nothing. Decided to watch what I had of it anyway.

Turns out, that this first episode is just a teaser, and you have to subscribe to a pay service in order to see the rest of the season. That is just crap. I've been a fan of star trek since the original series started back whenever - used to cycle several miles to a friend's house to watch as they were the only people I knew that had a colour tv at the time.

If they aren't prepared to broadcast a tv show on regular tv, then they can take it and shove it! I already pay for cable, and am not about to start subscribing to pay services for each show I want to watch... "CBS All-access" apparently means no-access-unless-you-pay-us...

Not even sure just *when* this show is supposed to be, in relation to the various other ST shows... The Klingons are completely different once again - 3rd iteration of the species - and the Starfleet admiral said that nobody had heard from the Klingons for over 100 years... The captain was on about not breaking "standing order no. 1", which I assume is the often quoted - and more often ignored! - Prime Directive. So, does this one slot in before the original series, as Klingons were well-known at that point in their history?
Recorded the show on my dvr, and sat down last nig... (show quote)




I agree completely. And if the first episode is an example of the show I wouldn't watch it if it was on CBS; it stunk in my book. It barely kept my attention as I spent an hour looking for a reason to keep watching. The issue here is CBS's stunt to try to force us all to pay $10 a month to watch this show. This is worse than HBO charges when you consider what you are getting. I would never pay it and would highly encourage everyone else to refuse to fall for it; if the public does, we can be assured that everyone else will be pulling the same stunt. CBS needs a clear message sent to them that we will not put up with this extortioner's attempt to rip us blind. This industry has been bleeding the American public ever since the birth of cable and just doesn't stop; it's about time we send them a clear message of enough is enough.

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Sep 26, 2017 17:34:15   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
whitewolfowner wrote:
I agree completely. And if the first episode is an example of the show I wouldn't watch it if it was on CBS; it stunk in my book. It barely kept my attention as I spent an hour looking for a reason to keep watching. The issue here is CBS's stunt to try to force us all to pay $10 a month to watch this show. This is worse than HBO charges when you consider what you are getting. I would never pay it and would highly encourage everyone else to refuse to fall for it; if the public does, we can be assured that everyone else will be pulling the same stunt. CBS needs a clear message sent to them that we will not put up with this extortioner's attempt to rip us blind. This industry has been bleeding the American public ever since the birth of cable and just doesn't stop; it's about time we send them a clear message of enough is enough.
I agree completely. And if the first episode is a... (show quote)



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Sep 26, 2017 17:39:13   #
taxman Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Are you saying that his will be available only on All Access?

It is not listed on their TV schedule for the next two weeks. All Access costs $5.99 + tax/month with commercials. Without commercials, it would cost me about $130 a year to watch fifteen episodes. That's almost $9.00 per show. I could get Adobe CC for less than that. Unbelievable!


I thought I saw something that you can buy a year at a time for $60. Still not worth it.

Another difference between this and all the other Star Trek shows is that this one is a serial. All previous series had stand-alone episodes. They're trying to hook folks in and keep sucking money out of them.

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Sep 26, 2017 17:40:49   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
taxman wrote:
I thought I saw something that you can buy a year at a time for $60. Still not worth it.

Another difference between this and all the other Star Trek shows is that this one is a serial. All previous series had stand-alone episodes. They're trying to hook folks in and keep sucking money out of them.


Man, I hate serials. A two-parter is about all I can take.

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Sep 26, 2017 19:09:05   #
hassighedgehog Loc: Corona, CA
 
There was an Agatha Christie mystery that used the convention of male and female names as a part of the plot. In that case the name was Robin. As for Michael, Michal (no "e") was a daughter of Saul who was married to David in 1 Samuel.

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Sep 26, 2017 20:59:36   #
RGReel
 
Save your money and don't subscribe to "Star Trek:Discovery". If the premiere is any sample of the coming programs, it is IMO just awful. If you thought "Voyager" was touchy-feely, this one is Voyager on steroids. Starts with the captain and first officer on a very routine planet mission... Wouldn't one send a junior officer rather than the two top commanders? Later, the second in command takes a pointless IMO risk by doing an extra-ship spacesuit walk to check out a strange object, and is nearly killed. Again, send a junior officer or just an unmanned probe. And it only got worse from there... I got tired of reading excessive English subtitles for when the Klingons were speaking. And forget even a semblance of military formality and protocols among the Federation crew--it reminded me of a family picnic, with jibes, smirks, innuendos... Just plain bad.

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Sep 26, 2017 22:57:32   #
Bloke Loc: Waynesboro, Pennsylvania
 
RGReel wrote:
. Starts with the captain and first officer on a very routine planet mission... Wouldn't one send a junior officer rather than the two top commanders? Later, the second in command takes a pointless IMO risk by doing an extra-ship spacesuit walk to check out a strange object, and is nearly killed. Again, send a junior officer or just an unmanned probe.


That was one aspect of TOS that always annoyed me, and which they corrected in TNG. Whenever there was an away team on TOS, basically the whole set of senior officers went down on it, with a couple of obligatory red-shirts who were on borrowed time! No military or hierarchical system would do that... At least in TNG, Riker the first officer was in charge of the away teams, leaving the captain on board the ship. Much more appropriate.

During the unexplained mission the capt and first officer are on at the start of this thing, they are lost and the ship can't find them because of the storm. The capt leads them walking around and maps out the Starfleet symbol in the sand, which the ship finds and comes for them. Two things here... If it could see that, then it should have had no difficulty in finding 2 warm, moving bodies. Also, according to trek 'history', that symbol was actually specific to the original Enterprise. It was adopted by Starfleet in general as an acknowledgement of the success of the original 5-year mission. If this is a prequel, then that symbol would not have been in general use.

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Sep 26, 2017 23:09:46   #
whitewolfowner
 
RGReel wrote:
Save your money and don't subscribe to "Star Trek:Discovery". If the premiere is any sample of the coming programs, it is IMO just awful. If you thought "Voyager" was touchy-feely, this one is Voyager on steroids. Starts with the captain and first officer on a very routine planet mission... Wouldn't one send a junior officer rather than the two top commanders? Later, the second in command takes a pointless IMO risk by doing an extra-ship spacesuit walk to check out a strange object, and is nearly killed. Again, send a junior officer or just an unmanned probe. And it only got worse from there... I got tired of reading excessive English subtitles for when the Klingons were speaking. And forget even a semblance of military formality and protocols among the Federation crew--it reminded me of a family picnic, with jibes, smirks, innuendos... Just plain bad.
Save your money and don't subscribe to "Star ... (show quote)




I agree completely; this series has started out as a joke; the worst thing I have seen on film in decades.

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