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Aug 30, 2017 09:22:52   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
ProfessorRagtop wrote:
Or bump the shutter speed and the ISO


I'm with the Prof.

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Aug 30, 2017 09:31:46   #
ken glanzer
 
Always push the expose button s l o w l y at any shutter speed--not with a quick push.

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Aug 30, 2017 09:43:45   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
lwerthe1mer wrote:
I took some photos at a birthday party recently. My camera was a Sony a7ii. My lens was the Zeiss 2.8 fixed lens. Based on the advice of a knowledgeable photographer, I did not use a flash. I did not use a tripod.

Several photos were fine, but a large number were not sharp. I have enclosed a sampling for your review.

To what can I attribute the blurriness? Unsteady hands? Not focusing properly?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


Like the song, "Shaken All Over"! (Details have been correctly and adequately covered by others.)

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Aug 30, 2017 10:07:37   #
lwerthe1mer Loc: Birmingham, Alabama
 
Yes. The 35mm lens was built for Sony's FE mounts. Autofocus is fine.

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Aug 30, 2017 10:12:45   #
lwerthe1mer Loc: Birmingham, Alabama
 
My daughter will be very flattered.

Thanks to all Hoggers who made comments. I totally agree with the consensus that camera shake was my problem. Even if I could have done things to steady the camera, I didn't. I walked around the room taking photos quickly so I wouldn't interrupt conversations and embarrass shy subjects. I need to increase the shutter speed, take my time and use proper technique.

Someone mentioned that an "on camera" flash would not have helped. What if the "on camera" flash is bounced off a wall or ceiling, or if it has a light diffuser attached?

Thanks again to everyone.

jerryc41 wrote:
At a quick glance, that almost looks like Kim Catrall on the left in #2 and #3.

My vote goes to camera shake. That built-in flash can come in handy.

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Aug 30, 2017 10:17:59   #
lwerthe1mer Loc: Birmingham, Alabama
 
Had I not spoken with the "knowledgeable photographer," I would have bounced the light from a flash off walls, etc., or used my Gary Fong diffuser. I was headed in the right direction until I got some bad advice. Incidentally the "knowledgeable photographer" was a sales person in the camera department at BestBuy. I believe he was knowledgeable, but in a limited way.

I guess I blew that shooting project. Thanks to everyone for your comments.

Leonard

camerapapi wrote:
Let me put things into perspective, did you say a "knowledgeable photographer" advised you against using flash? I do indeed wonder how "knowledgeable" that photographer is. Flash, when properly used is a very useful accessory putting light where you need it most, on your subject. If I was the person taking those shots I would have used flash with a diffuser or I would have bounced the light from a white wall for a softer look and most probably better skin colors. Obviously, if you had a window illuminating with soft light your subjects then flash most probably was not a necessity.
A large aperture with a slow shutter speed could have been responsible for the softness shown in your portraits especially if you kept the ISO speed at a low setting. AF could also be implicated, hard to say.
As you can see there are several factors that could be implicated.
Let me put things into perspective, did you say a ... (show quote)

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Aug 30, 2017 10:38:42   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Your 1st, 2nd and 4th images are camera shake blur.

The 3rd photo might be soft due to shallow depth of field and the point of focus... Of the three subjects in that shot, the two on either side seem relatively sharp and are slightly closer to you. The subject in the center appears slightly farther away and not quite focused upon, with that combination of distance and an f/2.8 aperture.

I agree... you could have bumped up your ISO and that in turn would have allowed you to use a higher shutter speed that would better freeze both subject movement and your own movement/camera shake. 1/15 and 1/30 used in several of the shots is marginal when using a 35mm lens. Image stabilization can help with camera shake, but still requires good technique. But image stabilization cannot do anything to help with subject movement, if any of that's occurring.

Besides that, there are a number of techniques you can learn to help increase the percentage of sharp shots you get at slower shutter speeds.

The most obvious and easiest in this type of situation is to use a flash. The short duration of a flash acts like a fast shutter speed, regardless of the camera's actual shutter speed. Most flashes give the effect of around 1/720 shutter speed.... far better freezing movement than 1/15 or 1/30 second! One problem with flash occurs when trying to balance it with ambient light, to act as fill, at slower shutter speeds. That can cause "ghosting" effects.

Flash also can make for ugly shadows and redeye problems. The trick to reducing that is to get the flash out of the camera's hot shoe (aAVOID built in flashes... they really suck for a number of reasons). Put it on a flash bracket that positions it off to one side and a little high up. If not a radio controlled flash, this requires an off-camera shoe cord. Positioning the flash that way greatly reduces redeye issues and helps move shadows down and behind subjects where they are much less of a problem. So long as the flash is powerful enough, diffusing it in some way also can be very helpful making for nicer images. Whoever gave you advice was pretty much steering you in exactly the wrong direction.

Using a flash to add light to the subject and scene also allows you to stop the lens down a bit, for greater depth of field that would help with problems such as in the 3rd image (re-positioning the subjects so that they are all the exact same distance from the camera is another solution for that).

Yes, a tripod or monopod would have helped with camera shake, but not with shallow depth of field issues or with subject movement. It also would be more cumbersome shooting events such as this, making shots less candid and more formally posed. Most event photographers would shoot this sort of event with an accessory flash, handheld.

If forced to use slow shutter speeds handheld, yes, as others have suggested, your first concern is to stabilize yourself as best possible. Lean against something, work on your stance and how you hold your camera, and don't "stab" at the shutter release button... practice "pressing" it instead. All can help. Also set your camera to a continuous shooting mode and take a series of shots instead of just a single snap. That will increase the odds that one or more will be good, steady shots. In other words, expect a high percentage of shots to show camera shake and to go in the trash... so take extra shots.

The photo below was shot with a 50mm lens at f/2 on an APS-C camera... at 1/30 shutter speed, handheld. No image stabilization, either. In this case, the trick I used to prevent camera shake and get a sharp shot was resting my elbows on a tabletop, sort of like making myself into a tripod...


Here's another example, this time at a much higher shutter speed that prevented any sort of camera shake or subject movement blur... But in very low light where an 85mm lens set to a large f/2.0 aperture rendered shallow depth of field.... In this case I was very careful to focus the person's face and torso (the most important part of the image) sharply, while allowing his hand and the bottle he's holding to go soft due to the shallow DoF:


Flash used correctly can greatly improve images. It's just a matter of using some tricks such as those described above. In fact, I use flash a lot on bright, sunny days... as "fill light" to open up heavy shadows:


I almost NEVER bounce flash off ceilings or walls. Bouncing often causes more problems than it solves. For one, the tonality of the bounce surface has a huge effect on the color of the light. It can be complementary... but far more often it's ugly! Bounce panels I use in studio (a far more controlled situation) are pure white, silver, gold and a mix of silver & gold. Which I use depend upon the subject's skin tones and the color of clothing, background, etc.

Bounce also wastes an awful lot of light... forcing any flash to fire much more fully, slowing down recycling and draining batteries a lot faster. When you bounce flash the light has to travel a lot farther and some of it's absorbed by the bounce surface. Using ceilings and walls, the distances are highly variable and largely out of your control, too. I do bounce large studio strobes out of umbrellas at times, for the especially soft, somewhat "wrap-around" type of lighting that produces. I've sometimes also used a "bounce card" mounted on a portable flash on my camera. But in both these cases the distances and color of the bounce surface are very much under my control.

Built-in flashes simply suck. They're weak & wimpy so don't have much "reach", are located in the worst possible place for redeye and ugly shadow effects, slow to recycle and draw heavily on the camera's batteries to greatly reduce the number of shots per charge you'll get. I highly recommend getting an accessory flash and learning to use it. A built-in flash might come in handy for an emergency situation... or might be used to control an off-camera flash... but in general I recommend avoiding them. An accessory flash is much more controllable, far more powerful and can be positioned much better. Plus it has it's own power supply to give faster recycling and not unnecessarily drain the camera's main power source.

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Aug 30, 2017 10:46:45   #
lwerthe1mer Loc: Birmingham, Alabama
 
I am learning a lot from you guys. I was guilty of a lot of faults in the photos I submitted. Photography for me is a constant learning experience, and, except for the small amount of embarrassment caused my my sub-standard photos, I'll learn from my experience and move on.

Thanks to EVERYONE, who submitted such helpful suggestions.

amfoto1 wrote:
1st, 2nd and 4th images are camera shake blur.

The 3rd photo might be soft due to shallow depth of field and the point of focus... Of the three subjects in that shot, the two on either side seem relatively sharp and are slightly closer to you. The subject in the center appears slightly farther away and not quite focused upon, with that combination of distance and an f/2.8 aperture.

I agree... you could have bumped up your ISO and that in turn would have allowed you to use a higher shutter speed that would better freeze both subject movement and your own movement/camera shake. 1/15 and 1/30 used in several of the shots is marginal when using a 35mm lens. Image stabilization can help with camera shake, but still requires good technique. But image stabilization cannot do anything to help with subject movement, if any of that's occurring.

Besides that, there are a number of techniques you can learn to help increase the percentage of sharp shots you get at slower shutter speeds.

The most obvious and easiest in this type of situation is to use a flash. The short duration of a flash acts like a fast shutter speed, regardless of the camera's actual shutter speed. Most flashes give the effect of around 1/720 shutter speed.... far better freezing movement than 1/15 or 1/30 second! One problem with flash occurs when trying to balance it with ambient light, to act as fill, at slower shutter speeds. That can cause "ghosting" effects.

Flash also can make for ugly shadows and redeye problems. The trick to reducing that is to get the flash out of the camera's hot shoe (aAVOID built in flashes... they really suck for a number of reasons). Put it on a flash bracket that positions it off to one side and a little high up. If not a radio controlled flash, this requires an off-camera shoe cord. Positioning the flash that way greatly reduces redeye issues and helps move shadows down and behind subjects where they are much less of a problem. So long as the flash is powerful enough, diffusing it in some way also can be very helpful making for nicer images. Whoever gave you advice was pretty much steering you in exactly the wrong direction.

Using a flash to add light to the subject and scene also allows you to stop the lens down a bit, for greater depth of field that would help with problems such as in the 3rd image (re-positioning the subjects so that they are all the exact same distance from the camera is another solution for that).

Yes, a tripod or monopod would have helped with camera shake, but not with shallow depth of field issues or with subject movement. It also would be more cumbersome shooting events such as this, making shots less candid and more formally posed. Most event photographers would shoot this sort of event with an accessory flash, handheld.

If forced to use slow shutter speeds handheld, yes, as others have suggested, your first concern is to stabilize yourself as best possible. Lean against something, work on your stance and how you hold your camera, and don't "stab" at the shutter release button... practice "pressing" it instead. All can help. Also set your camera to a continuous shooting mode and take a series of shots instead of just a single snap. That will increase the odds that one or more will be good, steady shots. In other words, expect a high percentage of shots to show camera shake and to go in the trash... so take extra shots.

The photo below was shot with a 50mm lens at f/2 on an APS-C camera... at 1/30 shutter speed, handheld. No image stabilization, either. In this case, the trick I used to prevent camera shake and get a sharp shot was resting my elbows on a tabletop, sort of like making myself into a tripod...


Here's another example, this time at a much higher shutter speed that prevented any sort of camera shake or subject movement blur... But in very low light where an 85mm lens set to a large f/2.0 aperture rendered shallow depth of field.... In this case I was very careful to focus the person's face and torso (the most important part of the image) sharply, while allowing his hand and the bottle he's holding to go soft due to the shallow DoF:


Flash used correctly can greatly improve images. It's just a matter of using some tricks such as those described above. In fact, I use flash a lot on bright, sunny days... as "fill light" to open up heavy shadows:



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1st, 2nd and 4th images are camera shake blur. br... (show quote)

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Aug 30, 2017 11:04:14   #
jackpinoh Loc: Kettering, OH 45419
 
lwerthe1mer wrote:
I took some photos at a birthday party recently. My camera was a Sony a7ii. My lens was the Zeiss 2.8 fixed lens. Based on the advice of a knowledgeable photographer, I did not use a flash. I did not use a tripod.

Several photos were fine, but a large number were not sharp. I have enclosed a sampling for your review.

To what can I attribute the blurriness? Unsteady hands? Not focusing properly?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Although your camera has in-body stabilization, some of us are not steady enough to shoot at slow shutter speeds. So your shutter speed was too slow. Make sure "steady shot" is enabled in your camera, and increase your shutter speed to 1/60 or 1/120 sec. To compensate for the faster shutter, crank up the ISO (or set the camera to Auto ISO) or use flash. There is nothing wrong with using you on-camera flash indoors. The camera automatically adjusts the flash level. I even use flash outside occasionally as fill flash for backlit subjects.

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Aug 30, 2017 11:22:44   #
lwerthe1mer Loc: Birmingham, Alabama
 
Steady shot is turned on, but these hands pose a challenge even to steady shot. Thanks.

jackpinoh wrote:
Although your camera has in-body stabilization, some of us are not steady enough to shoot at slow shutter speeds. So your shutter speed was too slow. Make sure "steady shot" is enabled in your camera, and increase your shutter speed to 1/60 or 1/120 sec. To compensate for the faster shutter, crank up the ISO (or set the camera to Auto ISO) or use flash. There is nothing wrong with using you on-camera flash indoors. The camera automatically adjusts the flash level. I even use flash outside occasionally as fill flash for backlit subjects.
Although your camera has in-body stabilization, so... (show quote)

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Aug 30, 2017 11:57:57   #
lwerthe1mer Loc: Birmingham, Alabama
 
Only one person over 45, and the camera was kind to that 70-year-old. A bunch of 40-45 year olds that make this 70-year-old look like yesterday's leftovers.

davefales wrote:
The prior comments pretty well cover the issues. But I'd like to add from personal experience: as you age, the rule of thumb to avoid "shake" probably needs to be pushed up towards 1/80 or 1/100.

From your file naming: is someone in those shots 70? I'll take two of whatever they are eating.

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Aug 30, 2017 12:16:50   #
ORpilot Loc: Prineville, Or
 
The fill flash on your a7 is very good. most of the time you hardly even notice any harsh shadows if any. A way to reduce any harsh shadows is to put a plain white foam cup over your pop-up flash. Second, image stabilization is good but not a miracle worker. Most non professional photographers cannot hand hold well below a 1/60 sec even with image stabilization. if you don't like fill flash the make sure you are shooting faster than 1/125sec. Go auto ISO or up the ISO to 2000 to get faster shutter speeds. Your a7 will do quite will with ISO below 2500. You should practice with your camera lens combination to see what you can do prior to a big shoot. Your DOF may be a bit shallow too. I use to be able to shoot down to 1/15 sec in my younger days but now I have to really work at it to 1/60. Live and learn, that is how we move forward. Happy Shooting

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Aug 30, 2017 12:23:49   #
lwerthe1mer Loc: Birmingham, Alabama
 
Thanks for your tips. I'm learning a lot and am also feeling rather humble re: my photographic abilities.

One question -- does the a7 have a built in flash. My a7ii does not, and I need to find a good flash for it.

Frankly, I am wondering whether my a7ii is more camera than my abilities can justify. I'm thinking about my old and sold asp-c cameras.

Many thanks.

ORpilot wrote:
The fill flash on your a7 is very good. most of the time you hardly even notice any harsh shadows if any. A way to reduce any harsh shadows is to put a plain white foam cup over your pop-up flash. Second, image stabilization is good but not a miracle worker. Most non professional photographers cannot hand hold well below a 1/60 sec even with image stabilization. if you don't like fill flash the make sure you are shooting faster than 1/125sec. Go auto ISO or up the ISO to 2000 to get faster shutter speeds. Your a7 will do quite will with ISO below 2500. You should practice with your camera lens combination to see what you can do prior to a big shoot. Your DOF may be a bit shallow too. I use to be able to shoot down to 1/15 sec in my younger days but now I have to really work at it to 1/60. Live and learn, that is how we move forward. Happy Shooting
The fill flash on your a7 is very good. most of th... (show quote)

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Aug 30, 2017 12:33:08   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
Sure looks like camera shake to me. Consider a bounce flash approach or using a diffuser on the flash. Either of those techniques should eliminate red-eye and not dazzle the subjects.

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Aug 30, 2017 13:01:02   #
Bobnewnan
 
I wonder why no one mentions that a filter feature in Photoshop is "Shake Reduction". I use it on any hand held shooting that I do, it makes a definite difference. On occasion it goes crazy but just run it again after you drag the box to a different location.

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