Burning images to a CD (Page 2): Accelerated life testing was done on M-Discs by the US Military Department of Defense and the French National Laboratory of Metrology and Testing.

CO

Bloke wrote:

Manufacturers making these claims always crack me up... How can you test for stability over time, other than by testing a disc repeatedly over that time period? Unless they have some of these discs sitting there, having held data for 1000 years and still working, the whole claim is just a marketing gimmick. Theory may well suggest that they are longer-lasting than other discs, but...

Accelerated life testing was done on M-Discs by the US Military Department of Defense and the French National Laboratory of Metrology and Testing.

CO

jerryc41 wrote:

Yeah, I need a disk that will be good for 1,000 years. I keep looking.

Actually, I have video and stills from over twenty years ago that are fine.

You're lucky that the data on the twenty year old disks is fine. Dye based layers on traditional CD's and DVD's will degrade. M-Discs have a rock-like layer. Data becomes permanently etched to the layer. I would transfer the data over to M-Discs.

Morning Star Loc: West coast, North of the 49th N.

theehmann wrote:

I have Elements 9 and for years have had no problems burning all my images onto a CDR. As of late it will only burn about 2/3 of my selected images on the first attempt. Each time I repeat the process it decreases the #of images I try to burn. Elements 9 doesn't have the option to burn the images to a thumb drive. I am frustrated beyond belief. Any suggestions would be most appreciated.

Of course it does! Just select Save As from the menu, then select the thumb drive, which like your built-in hard drive or external hard drive, will have its own drive-letter.

theehmann

Thank you.

markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ

You images are NOT in Elements 9 - they are on one of or your only hard drive - probably your C drive. They are probably stored in "My Pictures" or similar folder.
Please send me a PM and indicate the model of your PC and the operating system you are using (Win XP, Win 7, Win 8, Win 10, ...) I will send you step by step instructions of how to "burn" your images to a CD without using PSE 9.
Mark

theehmann wrote:

I have Elements 9 and for years have had no problems burning all my images onto a CDR. As of late it will only burn about 2/3 of my selected images on the first attempt. Each time I repeat the process it decreases the #of images I try to burn. Elements 9 doesn't have the option to burn the images to a thumb drive. I am frustrated beyond belief. Any suggestions would be most appreciated.

theehmann

That would be so very helpful. I do that when we get back in town tomorrow night as I'm still struggling with this.

gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast

theehmann wrote:

I have Elements 9 and for years have had no problems burning all my images onto a CDR. As of late it will only burn about 2/3 of my selected images on the first attempt. Each time I repeat the process it decreases the #of images I try to burn. Elements 9 doesn't have the option to burn the images to a thumb drive. I am frustrated beyond belief. Any suggestions would be most appreciated.

Select your images, select File - Save as New File, select your format from the list, quality etcetera, and browse to the thumb drive or folder where you want to put them. At this point you can also create a new folder at the desired location to hold them.

I use Elements 14 and am assuming your file save options are the same.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

hj wrote:

I have not heard of MDiscs.... Obviously they need to be burned on an MDisc compatible machine, but will the resulting disc then play on older standard players?

MDiscs can be opened/played on an MDisc or most BluRay drives (the majority of Blu Ray drives also support MDiscs), and you can buy a BluRay/MDisc drive in the $70 range. Well worth having as you can purchase discs up to 100GB with larger sizes on the way, whereas standard DVDs are limited to a much smaller size, making an MDisk disk a practical backup or archive media, whereas it would take many, many DVDs to back up a typical modern HD. I haven't tried, but I doubt you can read an MDisc in a standard DVD drive.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

Bloke wrote:

Manufacturers making these claims always crack me up... How can you test for stability over time, other than by testing a disc repeatedly over that time period? Unless they have some of these discs sitting there, having held data for 1000 years and still working, the whole claim is just a marketing gimmick. Theory may well suggest that they are longer-lasting than other discs, but...

I agree it would be hard to test for 1,000 years 😎, but MDiscs are no marketing gimmick. They are a different technology and have been tested extensively by a number of government agencies including DOD, NAVSEA, etc. Here's the wiki link if you'd like to read up on the technology - you'll find links to the various tests in the bibliography:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-DISC

hj Loc: Florida

Well, according to the article mentioned here recorded discs can be read by "conventional drives".

TriX wrote:

I agree it would be hard to test for 1,000 years 😎, but MDiscs are no marketing gimmick. They are a different technology and have been tested extensively by a number of government agencies including DOD, NAVSEA, etc. Here's the wiki link if you'd like to read up on the technology - you'll find links to the various tests in the bibliography:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-DISC

Festus Loc: North Dakota

theehmann wrote:

I have Elements 9 and for years have had no problems burning all my images onto a CDR. As of late it will only burn about 2/3 of my selected images on the first attempt. Each time I repeat the process it decreases the #of images I try to burn. Elements 9 doesn't have the option to burn the images to a thumb drive. I am frustrated beyond belief. Any suggestions would be most appreciated.

You don't need to burn to a thumb drive. Copy from your source and Paste to the thumb drive.

bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA

brucewells wrote:

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You can get a better deal at Costco. I bought a 5Tb Western Digital for $120 two months ago.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

bpulv wrote:

You can get a better deal at Costco. I bought a 5Tb Western Digital for $120 two months ago.

What "color"? They come in a variety if colors and prices.

https://smile.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=WD+5tb

James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)

brucewells wrote:

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Yes!.........

The external H.D. is the way I keep ALL of my original files from ANY digital camera. AND another 4T drive as a back-up to my "Travel Dump" drive. Then I have a 1T External for the images edited and printed to different sizes for sale. I, at one time used CD's and DVD's as storage as well... Took too long and some I can not read from 2002 from the CD's..... The external H.D. IS the way to go. (For Now anyway. As the technology changes we all will have to find different ways to keep all of our original files current and obtainable.)

I know that this is a redundant saving process = however = this is the way I do it and I am comfortable with this process. You can save to an external and keep all your original files from the camera safe there as long as you do not (after editing) save them back to the drive that has your originals in it - and over write your original images from the camera. I consider the images that were in the camera as the "Negatives" and the Printable (or spendable) edits the Output Prints. I am very VERY Protective of my original (RAW) files - as some time ago I lost Everything in a house fire that destroyed ALL of my photographic negatives since age 12. That loss was in 1974 - I have never completely gotten over that.

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Bloke Loc: Waynesboro, Pennsylvania

CO wrote:

Accelerated life testing was done on M-Discs by the US Military Department of Defense and the French National Laboratory of Metrology and Testing.

Could you please explain to me exactly what the phrase "accelerated life testing" really means? Seriously?

Unless they have revoked Einstein's theory of relativity, to see if a product lasts a year, it takes a year. To see if it lasts 10 years, it takes 10 years. To see if it lasts 1000 years... Well, you get the picture?

These are not mechanical devices, where you could run them at many times greater speed or duration, in order to estimate more 'normal' lifespan. Once burnt, they basically just sit there, so how on earth can you test their lifespan?

Would you buy a camera if the manufacturer said "We tested the shutter 50 times, so it should easily last for 250,000 times..."?