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Apr 27, 2017 12:38:23   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
I think more important than FF vs Crop, is that you should consider a weather/dust sealed body lens combo for your trip.

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Apr 27, 2017 13:05:26   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
n3eg wrote:
Here we go again. "Ooooh, it's a DSLR! Gotta buy it! Oops, I wanted FULL FRAME ONLY! Has to be BIG!!!"


Yes indeed. I want a big Phase One....or two.

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Apr 27, 2017 13:13:22   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Marionsho wrote:
Yes indeed. I want a big Phase One....or two.


Marion..., go for THREE!!! LoL
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Apr 27, 2017 15:33:48   #
CPR Loc: Nature Coast of Florida
 
The illustration earlier is widely used but BUT!! it's only valid if you use the same lens for the three cameras. If the full-frame example is shot with a 35mm lens then you can get the same photo with a 52mm lens on a Nikon crop-sensor camera or a 56mm lens on a Canon crop-sensor.

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Apr 27, 2017 17:15:13   #
cfbudd Loc: Atlanta, Georgia
 
CPR wrote:
The illustration earlier is widely used but BUT!! it's only valid if you use the same lens for the three cameras. If the full-frame example is shot with a 35mm lens then you can get the same photo with a 52mm lens on a Nikon crop-sensor camera or a 56mm lens on a Canon crop-sensor.


Amen!

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Apr 27, 2017 19:12:13   #
jethro779 Loc: Tucson, AZ
 
CPR wrote:
The illustration earlier is widely used but BUT!! it's only valid if you use the same lens for the three cameras. If the full-frame example is shot with a 35mm lens then you can get the same photo with a 52mm lens on a Nikon crop-sensor camera or a 56mm lens on a Canon crop-sensor.


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Apr 27, 2017 19:22:27   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Marion..., go for THREE!!! LoL
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Great idea. I'll not have to change lenses so often.

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Apr 27, 2017 19:47:12   #
pecohen Loc: Central Maine
 
CPR wrote:
The illustration earlier is widely used but BUT!! it's only valid if you use the same lens for the three cameras. If the full-frame example is shot with a 35mm lens then you can get the same photo with a 52mm lens on a Nikon crop-sensor camera or a 56mm lens on a Canon crop-sensor.

Sure.

With the same length lens (assuming that lens supports FF) the image will be smaller with a cropped sensor than with a FF sensor but with a longer lens you can capture roughly the same image. But that "same" image (with the same number of pixels and same sensor technology) the smaller sensor will show more noise. Later generation sensors will likely have better noise characteristics however, so that is another consideration.

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Apr 27, 2017 21:47:53   #
photogpg Loc: San Pedro, CA
 
elee950021 wrote:
Photogpg:Thanks so much for your input--it is very helpful! Weight and expense are major concerns. I am not going to be producing giant-sized prints so maybe I should stick with the DX if I get a second body. Then I can use the same lenses. I am not a professional photographer by any stretch...


Your Nikon D5300, a "cropped" frame camera, also called "DX" as opposed to full frame, "FX." Generally, they are cheaper; smaller and lighter in size; smaller image files so more images per memory card; all use smaller SD cards; less expensive lenses; more image reach compared to "FX": 300MM is equivalent to 450MM and others that will be probably be mentioned. The advantages of "FX:" bigger, tougher, more durable body; double size sensor which provides bigger file sizes for large prints or cropping; better resolution; better dynamic range; better noise qualities; better AF systems; AF adjust, multiple cards; greater range of lenses and other more advanced features. Among the disadvantages are cost, size and weight. There are others that will be mentioned!

Have a great trip!
Photogpg:Thanks so much for your input--it is very... (show quote)

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Apr 27, 2017 21:49:07   #
photogpg Loc: San Pedro, CA
 
Very good point! Thanks you!
Cdouthitt wrote:
I think more important than FF vs Crop, is that you should consider a weather/dust sealed body lens combo for your trip.

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Apr 27, 2017 21:50:59   #
photogpg Loc: San Pedro, CA
 
Good point--Thanks!
CPR wrote:
The illustration earlier is widely used but BUT!! it's only valid if you use the same lens for the three cameras. If the full-frame example is shot with a 35mm lens then you can get the same photo with a 52mm lens on a Nikon crop-sensor camera or a 56mm lens on a Canon crop-sensor.

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Apr 27, 2017 22:08:14   #
photogpg Loc: San Pedro, CA
 
Thank you for this input -- weight and cost are major factors. It is going to be uncomfortable watching [and being] a 74-year-old schlepping a 50lb back pack vs a 30-lb backpack onto a
elee950021 wrote:
Photogpg:

Your Nikon D5300, a "cropped" frame camera, also called "DX" as opposed to full frame, "FX." Generally, they are cheaper; smaller and lighter in size; smaller image files so more images per memory card; all use smaller SD cards; less expensive lenses; more image reach compared to "FX": 300MM is equivalent to 450MM and others that will be probably be mentioned. The advantages of "FX:" bigger, tougher, more durable body; double size sensor which provides bigger file sizes for large prints or cropping; better resolution; better dynamic range; better noise qualities; better AF systems; AF adjust, multiple cards; greater range of lenses and other more advanced features. Among the disadvantages are cost, size and weight. There are others that will be mentioned!

Have a great trip!
Photogpg: br br Your Nikon D5300, a "croppe... (show quote)

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Apr 27, 2017 22:11:56   #
photogpg Loc: San Pedro, CA
 
And I am old, poor and relatively small! Thanks for the input!
pecohen wrote:
The visual is very good, but I think it misses some important points:

1. Full-frame cameras require big, heavy and relatively expensive lenses compared to a crop-frame camera.

2. Full-frame cameras are big, heavy and relatively expensive compared to a crop-frame camera.

3. Crop-frame cameras tend to have a higher pixel density.

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Apr 27, 2017 22:43:07   #
photogpg Loc: San Pedro, CA
 
Yes--I have received a lot of very good advice from all you very generous members and I truly appreciate everyone's time and efforts! I didn't realize that I would have to buy a whole set of lenses to go with a new FX---that certainly makes up my mind!

So... in order to have a back-up camera on a $10k+ trip, so I haven't wasted my trip money if something happens
to my current D5300, I will need to buy another DX body [probably the D5500] to go with my current DX lenses. Maybe I will trade my Nikkor 55-300mm lens for a 70-400mm. And wear them both around my neck, one with the 400 and one with the 18-200 so that I have all angles covered!

Mundj wrote:
You have received several good explations of the differences and advantages and disadvantages of both. If you are considering a second body for your upcoming trip you will need full frame lenses for a full frame body to take advantage of FF. I would suggest acquiring a new or refurbished D5300 and really learning how it works and where the various controls are. You will need to quickly set up to take your wild life photos.

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Apr 27, 2017 22:53:25   #
photogpg Loc: San Pedro, CA
 
Thanks for your suggestion! I think that I will do just that, but am going for the 70-400mm and a D5500 body as the second camera. Renting lens and camera for 2 weeks will be the equivalent to the purchase price. My dealer says I can always sell the equip back to him if I want, after I return. [He has organized the trip - his 6th year and I've done business with him for 40 years!] A better option--at least I get something back and the net cost won't be so much.
Of course I could always keep them!

jackpi wrote:
Today's crop sensor cameras are much better than older full frame cameras. The biggest two advantages of full frame cameras are small depth of field at a specific lens focal length and lower noise at high ISOs. The biggest advantages of crop sensor cameras are lower weight, lower cost, and the crop factor. A 400mm lens on a crop sensor camera has the same equivalent field of view as a 600mm lens on a full frame camera. 300mm-->450mm; 150-600mm-->225-900mm. Crop sensor cameras are usually preferred over full frame cameras with teleconverters for sports and wildlife because teleconverters reduce light on the sensor and diminish image quality. Since you are going to Kenya, your D5300 is a very good option, and if you need another camera body, I suggest you take another crop sensor camera. A 150-600mm telephoto zoom lens is a good option for wildlife that is far away. If you don't want to buy such a lens, you can rent one. If you do take another camera body, consider mounting a 150-600mm lens on one body and something like an 18-140mm, 18-200mm, or 18-300mm on the other. That way you won't have to change lenses in what is often a dusty environment, and you will have complete coverage of 18-600mm (or 27-900mm full frame equivalent field of view).
Today's crop sensor cameras are much better than o... (show quote)

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