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Mar 24, 2017 20:48:17   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
buddingfatographer wrote:
I missed in his original post, him ever claiming to know a better way or the "correct" way. He simply said he hasn't found a reason to use AP, as manually setting exposure has worked better for him and asked if anyone sees it as a better option, to explain why. He didn't ask the question and then start shooting responses out of the sky. For whatever reason you and a few others started going after him like those in Salem in the 1690's for his "sorcery!" If you don't want his book... don't buy it. I doubt seriously anyone cares. I hope the next time you thugs ask a question someone else sees as silly or "rhetorical"... someone, or a team absolutely start blasting your a**es! As for his question being "rhetorical"... I believe he was genuinely wanting input... making that invalid. He was very clear that he wanted to include some content on AP and wanted examples of its use over manual. God bless his legs for asking a question, how dare he?!
I missed in his original post, him ever claiming t... (show quote)


Perhaps if you read the whole thread you'll see how this evolved. The initial responses were informative and civil. Some short, some longer. Once the OP started pushing his individual opinions (and his money making business) harder the tone of the conversation changed. There is something that doesn't add up in the whole conversation, something that makes at least a few people a little wary.

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Mar 24, 2017 20:51:41   #
James Slick Loc: Pittsburgh,PA
 
Peterff wrote:
Yes. When the light is dynamically changing but you want depth of field consistent and to control noise levels - HDR bracketing for one example...



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Mar 24, 2017 20:52:51   #
James Slick Loc: Pittsburgh,PA
 
oldtigger wrote:
A multi row/column pano shot with an undefined aperture would be a real bugger bear to stitch.



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Mar 24, 2017 21:14:19   #
buddingfatographer Loc: Nashville
 
Peterff wrote:
Perhaps if you read the whole thread you'll see how this evolved. The initial responses were informative and civil. Some short, some longer. Once the OP started pushing his individual opinions (and his money making business) harder the tone of the conversation changed. There is something that doesn't add up in the whole conversation, something that makes at least a few people a little wary.


Read the whole thread, and John was jumped long before he ever replied. I wouldn't buy your book this, and I can't believe you're asking that... I don't blame him for defending his stance... I would too! As often as he's been hounded in this thread, he has yet to talk down... or say a cross word to anyone. I mean insinuating that he's basically a phony? Gimme a break... acting like this is some mystery... "what's John really up to"... it's elementary Watsons.... the man asked a freaking question. That's it... it's not some cryptogram... or is John really reprogramming my mind by pretending he doesn't know why people prefer AP? Maybe you guys are right... maybe he's sending subliminal messages in the form of seemingly simple questions, and all the analysts and code crackers utilizing the enigma machine that I don't have access to have this figured out... and I'm brainwashed into oblivion. I really did think he was just asking an innocent question...

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Mar 24, 2017 21:36:25   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
buddingfatographer wrote:
Read the whole thread, and John was jumped long before he ever replied. I wouldn't buy your book this, and I can't believe you're asking that... I don't blame him for defending his stance... I would too! As often as he's been hounded in this thread, he has yet to talk down... or say a cross word to anyone. I mean insinuating that he's basically a phony? Gimme a break... acting like this is some mystery... "what's John really up to"... it's elementary Watsons.... the man asked a freaking question. That's it... it's not some cryptogram... or is John really reprogramming my mind by pretending he doesn't know why people prefer AP? Maybe you guys are right... maybe he's sending subliminal messages in the form of seemingly simple questions, and all the analysts and code crackers utilizing the enigma machine that I don't have access to have this figured out... and I'm brainwashed into oblivion. I really did think he was just asking an innocent question...
Read the whole thread, and John was jumped long be... (show quote)


A question certainly, but innocent I have my suspicions about. As the thread unfolded it got less and less innocent in several ways. Many people have been quite polite, not all, but sometimes it is appropriate to question someone's motives for asking questions when the answers should be obvious to a person with so much experience. When questioned about motives his answers have been less than forthcoming.

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Mar 24, 2017 21:37:29   #
In-lightened Loc: Kansas City
 
buddingfatographer wrote:
As someone new to photography and new to this (or any other) forum, it's disheartening but expected to see this type of response. I believe that photography is art, and there are many ways to get the same result, the "artists" desired result. It seems to me that an expert or professional photographer asking opinions of others should be welcomed. Just because he doesn't often use, or see a great need for aperture priority doesn't mean he doesn't think there is one... he was asking why those that do use it or find it necessary, use it or find it necessary. Just because I learned one way to wipe my gully and have done it that way my entire life, doesn't mean I don't recognize that there are other ways to do it that I might want to include in a book on how to wipe your gully! I applaud the OP for being humble enough to ask other's opinions instead of assuming his is the only way and ignoring the alternatives. Seems like it would make for a better book... should anyone who doesn't like alternatives or differing ways to reach the same result choose to read it.
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This is spot on for the John Gerlach I know. As his student I have been impressed with his knowledge, willingness to share everything he knows, enthusiasm and most of all, his curiosity. This makes him a better photographer and obviously a confident one. He is sincerely seeking a new perspective.

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Mar 24, 2017 21:51:13   #
Wanderer2 Loc: Colorado Rocky Mountains
 
John Gerlach wrote:
I don't mind!!!! If I can come up with a new idea, or get folks to seriously think about what they are doing, then everyone wins. I am well aware that aperture-priority is wildly popular, but I still feel its popularity is undeserved, especially when other ways are available that work so much easier.


John, for the situation I described in my previous post describing why most of my use is AE (landscape photography, tripod, wanting to control DOF and use the lens sweetspot) could you please explain what method would be "so much easier?" This is a serious question - it there is anyway to do things easier and achieve the same result I'm all for it.

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Mar 24, 2017 21:59:17   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
John Gerlach wrote:
What I said in the book years ago is likely true. I do believe most photographers probably prefer aperture-priority (perhaps as they do today), and so did Barbar back then. I tried it years ago when I first went to digital in 2003, but the problems it created were so serious I soon abandoned it. And I have rarely used it for any reason since. Prior to 2003, I only used manual with film, so I did not find out how often light in the viewfinder caused underexposure. I avoided that problem accidently by just using manual exposure with film, but digital made the pitfalls readily evident. So back to manual, especially for landscapes for many reasons. If you don't think you have a light through the viewfinder problem with your system, try this test. Put the camera on any auto mode and a polarizer over the lens. Point the camera at a dark area in the shade, but arrange the camera so sun can shine into the uncovered viewfinder. Look at the auto exposure that is set by the camera. Now cover the viewfinder with your hand or close the curtain. If there is a difference, that is the problem. If the unblocked viewfinder says 1/8 second at f/16, and the covered viewfinder says 1/30 at f/16, that means the image will be seriously too dark with auto exposure due to ambient passing into the viewfinder.
What I said in the book years ago is likely true. ... (show quote)


Another reason to go mirrorless !!!

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Mar 24, 2017 22:09:36   #
oldtigger Loc: Roanoke Virginia-USA
 
In-lightened wrote:
... He is sincerely seeking a new perspective.

Perhaps we should get off john's case; after all he did say:
"Actually, AP will just be a couple of paragraphs!"
and that is better than he originally proposed.

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Mar 24, 2017 22:10:33   #
JohnKlingel
 
Aperture Priority is appropriate for any situation that demands fast exposure settings and variable light conditions like Wildlife, Sports, Street, Waves, Races and other action. If the lighting is constant, Manual is fine but if the light is variable Aperture Priority works best. And even better with modern cameras is Aperture Priority and Auto ISO.

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Mar 24, 2017 22:23:42   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
oldtigger wrote:
Perhaps we should get off john's case; after all he did say:
"Actually, AP will just be a couple of paragraphs!"
and that is better than he originally proposed.


You mean like the Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy? 'Harmless' compared with 'Mostly harmless' in the second edition?

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Mar 24, 2017 22:32:53   #
mikeroetex Loc: Lafayette, LA
 
Peterff wrote:
A question certainly, but innocent I have my suspicions about. As the thread unfolded it got less and less innocent in several ways. Many people have been quite polite, not all, but sometimes it is appropriate to question someone's motives for asking questions when the answers should be obvious to a person with so much experience. When questioned about motives his answers have been less than forthcoming.

After the obvious, where he states that he is researching for a second revision of his book, his ulterior motives are very clear.
After 40 years of professional photography, being published by National Geographic and commended by NANPA, publishing four books, and taking students on worldwide photo tours, John's insecurity about aperture priority has finally caught up to him. Solution? Get a bunch of amateurs on an anonymous internet forum to vehemently disagree with him about technique. Some may actually offer quotable opinions that he can use in print as justification for having disseminated differing instruction. Add two paragraphs in a 40 page chapter illustrating the benefits of AP to the amateur who has learned less than John may have forgotten and book sales will skyrocket!!!
And if that doesn't work, he can claim the CIA wiretapped his Idaho cabin and stole his gold bouillon accumulated from years of selling photos produced with manual exposure that was intended to feed the displaced brown bears of Alaska for 100 years, while oil companies drilled in the Artic Circle! So you see fellow Hogs, it is up to us to buy the book and save the spawning salmon!

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Mar 24, 2017 22:44:23   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
mikeroetex wrote:
After the obvious, where he states that he is researching for a second revision of his book, his ulterior motives are very clear.
After 40 years of professional photography, being published by National Geographic and commended by NANPA, publishing four books, and taking students on worldwide photo tours, John's insecurity about aperture priority has finally caught up to him. Solution? Get a bunch of amateurs on an anonymous internet forum to vehemently disagree with him about technique. Some may actually offer quotable opinions that he can use in print as justification for having disseminated differing instruction. Add two paragraphs in a 40 page chapter illustrating the benefits of AP to the amateur who has learned less than John may have forgotten and book sales will skyrocket!!!
And if that doesn't work, he can claim the CIA wiretapped his Idaho cabin and stole his gold bouillon accumulated from years of selling photos produced with manual exposure that was intended to feed the displaced brown bears of Alaska for 100 years, while oil companies drilled in the Artic Circle! So you see fellow Hogs, it is up to us to buy the book and save the spawning salmon!
After the obvious, where he states that he is rese... (show quote)


I already have a copy of "The Salmon of Doubt!"

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Mar 24, 2017 22:44:30   #
cfbudd Loc: Atlanta, Georgia
 
repleo wrote:
Another reason to go mirrorless !!!


Huh??

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Mar 24, 2017 22:44:41   #
buddingfatographer Loc: Nashville
 
mikeroetex wrote:
After the obvious, where he states that he is researching for a second revision of his book, his ulterior motives are very clear.
After 40 years of professional photography, being published by National Geographic and commended by NANPA, publishing four books, and taking students on worldwide photo tours, John's insecurity about aperture priority has finally caught up to him. Solution? Get a bunch of amateurs on an anonymous internet forum to vehemently disagree with him about technique. Some may actually offer quotable opinions that he can use in print as justification for having disseminated differing instruction. Add two paragraphs in a 40 page chapter illustrating the benefits of AP to the amateur who has learned less than John may have forgotten and book sales will skyrocket!!!
And if that doesn't work, he can claim the CIA wiretapped his Idaho cabin and stole his gold bouillon accumulated from years of selling photos produced with manual exposure that was intended to feed the displaced brown bears of Alaska for 100 years, while oil companies drilled in the Artic Circle! So you see fellow Hogs, it is up to us to buy the book and save the spawning salmon!
After the obvious, where he states that he is rese... (show quote)


And a previous poster stating that "when he was questioned about his motives, he's been less than forthcoming?" I bet during the interrogation he refused a polygraph and immediately lawyered up! We'll see how the water boarding treats him... teach that guy to pretend like he doesn't absolutely love AP!

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