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Jan 23, 2017 10:43:26   #
chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO
 
BigBear wrote:
For several years I have been searching for a way to communicate with you. You have made it a priority for you to make it clear to me what you want and how you want it while my words seem to vaporize as soon as I say them.

I struggled to find a way for you to hear me. And each time I am told that I don’t communicate properly to you and it is my problem to figure out or I am free to leave. Any time I say something that you disapprove of, you come at me like a banshee and pound on my chest like a war drum.

Your version of communication is yelling into a bullhorn loud enough for your voice to cut through the billowing smoke and ash rising from the remnants of what is left of the bridge of communication that you set afire so the words of reason cannot reach you.

My rights amounted to making your values to be my values, and your causes to be my causes, and to resist would put me under penalty of law as a racist.

I thank God and the Patriot Founders of this country for their insight and long range thinking that gave us a tool called the Electoral College to help in keeping out or getting rid of tyrants who wish to force their views and values on us and transform our country into something it was never intended to be.

I am hereby proclaiming that the communication problem is being put back on you where it belongs. It is for you to either figure out how to communicate with me properly or you may choose to leave.
For several years I have been searching for a way ... (show quote)

I'm sorry.

Just about anyone on this site, IMHO, would agree that everything you just said about liberals could be said about conservatives.

Conservatives say that they are right and the Liberals are wrong, lying, whatever nasty name they can think of.
Liberals say that they are right and the Conservatives are wrong, lying, whatever nasty name they can think of.

There is a group, in each camp, who's only way to discuss is to name call and belittle the other side and has NO interest in listening to another's point of view.

They operate under the "If you're not with me you're against me" mantra.

It is a very sad commentary on the current state of our country.

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Jan 23, 2017 10:47:23   #
Keenan Loc: Central Coast California
 
BigBear wrote:
I studied Constitutional Law. So don't try preaching to me about how you think it is supposed to work.


If that is really true, then why do you consistently act completely clueless regarding your understanding of the Constitution?

Or perhaps when you say you "studied Constitutional Law", what you mean is that you read a few right wing fringe screeds on the subject, and listen to some right wing pundits rant about the Constitution.

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Jan 23, 2017 10:48:22   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
RRS wrote:
What's not funny is that President Trump does want to be everyone's President but Saturdays march every where were the signs "not my president". In every election you have those that win and those that afterwards feel lost. You may not understand the logic but this country is and has been so divided because of the core difference between the two party's. President Trump wasn't in office yet and there was talk of impeachment and hopes that the Electoral College could be persuaded to change their votes, sure sounds like sore losers to me. The conservatives did not respond to the election or re-election of President Obama with civil disobedience as we have seen with this election. The picture is even bigger when you factor in the Liberal news media, they don't always report the news, lots of time they make their own. I can understand why Ms. Clinton was so upset at having lost the election, and she did, because all the pollsters had her at 270 before any state reported in and she believed it, so did I and so many others. As to your remark "much like passing the ACA bill", not one Republican voted for it and if Obama had been able to stay in office for four more years he could have watched it go up in smoke as it surely was going broke and now they the Democrats say that the Republican party owns it? Maybe we can all be better off with a new and more affordable health care system if the people would wait and see what the new President has to offer. If you remember and I'm sure you do, President Obama was reported to be a Constitutional Scholar and we all saw how well he didn't handle that, so I can see where many would be worried because President Trump is just a very successful businessman. This country has never been run like a business before and we are in uncharted waters, maybe we can all work for the same goal and hope we have smooth sailing.
What's not funny is that President Trump does want... (show quote)



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Jan 23, 2017 10:48:38   #
Keenan Loc: Central Coast California
 
chrisscholbe wrote:
I'm sorry.

Just about anyone on this site, IMHO, would agree that everything you just said about liberals could be said about conservatives.

Conservatives say that they are right and the Liberals are wrong, lying, whatever nasty name they can think of.
Liberals say that they are right and the Conservatives are wrong, lying, whatever nasty name they can think of.

There is a group, in each camp, who's only way to discuss is to name call and belittle the other side and has NO interest in listening to another's point of view.

They operate under the "If you're not with me you're against me" mantra.

It is a very sad commentary on the current state of our country.
I'm sorry. br br Just about anyone on this site, ... (show quote)



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Jan 23, 2017 10:49:09   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
BigBear wrote:
There was nothing about his speech that was divisive. If you believe that it was, you didn't listen to it and are regurgitating liberal garbage.


Sorry Smokey but I heard the speech and it was directed to the population that voted for him. No healing, no uniting, just Trumpisms.
Give him time and he'll prove I'm right on this one.

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Jan 23, 2017 10:53:01   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
Keenan wrote:
If that is really true, then why do you consistently act completely clueless regarding your understanding of the Constitution?

Or perhaps when you say you "studied Constitutional Law", what you mean is that you read a few right wing fringe screeds on the subject, and listen to some right wing pundits rant about the Constitution.


What part am I so clueless about ??

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Jan 23, 2017 10:53:49   #
DEBJENROB Loc: DELRAY BEACH FL
 
BigBear wrote:
I studied Constitutional Law. So don't try preaching to me about how you think it is supposed to work.


so did I .... in college and law school

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Jan 23, 2017 10:58:03   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
Frank T wrote:
Sorry Smokey but I heard the speech and it was directed to the population that voted for him. No healing, no uniting, just Trumpisms.
Give him time and he'll prove I'm right on this one.


If you are talking about making government run the way it is supposed to and not be used support the liberal dependents that have made a living at the expense of others, then yes I agree it wasn't a speech for their cause.

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Jan 23, 2017 11:03:51   #
DEBJENROB Loc: DELRAY BEACH FL
 
BigBear wrote:
What part am I so clueless about ??


you do not understand the original purpose of the Electoral College ...... refer back to my first post ...

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Jan 23, 2017 11:10:12   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
DEBJENROB wrote:
you do not understand the original purpose of the Electoral College ...... refer back to my first post ...


I got what you said. I don't know where you got the idea that Conservatives are considered a mob.

The EC worked exactly the way it was supposed to whereby the states get equal representation, and the vote is not decided by 1 or 2 states based on popular vote.

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Jan 23, 2017 11:15:53   #
Keenan Loc: Central Coast California
 
BigBear wrote:
I got what you said. I don't know where you got the idea that Conservatives are considered a mob.

The EC worked exactly the way it was supposed to whereby the states get equal representation, and the vote is not decided by 1 or 2 states based on popular vote.


LOL

See, this is a perfect example of how oblivious you are to your own hypocrisy regarding the Constitution and the ideas of the founding fathers.

You like to constantly proclaim that, "We are not a democracy, we are a republic!", and point out that majority rule = 'tyranny of the majority'

But then in the very next breath, you make an exception for YOUR favored group - "Conservatives". Majority rule by Conservatives is somehow NOT mob rule. You make an exception. You're ok with tyranny of the majority, just so long as YOU and YOUR GROUP is part of that majority mob rule.

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Jan 23, 2017 11:17:14   #
green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20
 
Keenan wrote:
Any examples you can provide of libs making up stories?
we are in a post-truth era. And isn't that the point of fake stories? You can find proof of anything, but how do you know the proof itself isn't faked? You can look at multiple sources, but partisan stories spread like wildfire on the internet? Asking for proof from media anymore simply makes one appear outmoded, unrealistic or old-fashioned.

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Jan 23, 2017 11:20:15   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
Keenan wrote:
LOL

See, this is a perfect example of how oblivious you are to your own hypocrisy regarding the Constitution and the ideas of the founding fathers.

You like to constantly proclaim that, "We are not a democracy, we are a republic!", and point out that majority rule = 'tyranny of the majority'

But then in the very next breath, you make an exception for YOUR favored group - "Conservatives". Majority rule by Conservatives is somehow NOT mob rule. You make an exception. You're ok with tyranny of the majority, just so long as YOU and YOUR GROUP is part of that majority mob rule.
LOL br br See, this is a perfect example of how o... (show quote)


You are injecting your own comments into what I have said.

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Jan 23, 2017 11:23:19   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
green wrote:
we are in a post-truth era. And isn't that the point of fake stories? You can find proof of anything, but how do you know the proof itself isn't faked? You can look at multiple sources, but partisan stories spread like wildfire on the internet? Asking for proof from media anymore simply makes one appear outmoded, unrealistic or old-fashioned.

Your description sounds pretty accurate to me! Keenan seriously believes that there are absolutely no "fake news" stories coming from liberal sources. Some people live in a bubble.

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Jan 23, 2017 11:29:39   #
Keenan Loc: Central Coast California
 
BigBear wrote:
You are injecting your own comments into what I have said.


It sounds to me like you objected to the idea that your group could ever be defined as mob rule: "I don't know where you got the idea that Conservatives are considered a mob."

This was in response to someone pointing out to you that the original purpose of the Electoral College was to prevent mob rule - Hamilton and Madison referred to the electorate (you) as the mob. They wanted to prevent the mob of popular voters from choosing an unqualified demagogue for president.

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