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Dec 6, 2016 08:06:11   #
romanticf16 Loc: Commerce Twp, MI
 
Jim Bob wrote:
Curious why you directed your inquiry only to MT Shooter. Are you suggesting he is the only UHH member who might authoritatively answer the inquiry? Geesus. I hope not.


As the owner of a camera store MT Shooter is qualified to give an experienced definition and answer to the question posed. Asking an "expert" is one way to get an informative answer, rather then speculative guesses from lots of posters with no knowledge of the subject, but lots of opinions!

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Dec 6, 2016 08:07:18   #
dave sproul Loc: Tucson AZ
 
SteveR wrote:
No wonder MT doesn't participate on the Hog as much as he used to. Ask him a question, he gives a good answer, and it's like he's the pheasant during pheasant season with a row of hunters with shotguns all aimed at him.

Remember when it used to be a nice group having morning coffee, MT?



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Dec 6, 2016 08:14:54   #
dave sproul Loc: Tucson AZ
 
klouis wrote:
Hi guys,

Not sure why you guys need to sling dirt on one another.

I am based across the globe & while I am no pro, nor can I contribute with much advice in terms of photography, I love learning something new here.

We all have issues, none of us are perfect.
This forum is about sharing our opinion / views & not about who is 'Master of all'.

The question was directed at MT Shooter & he answered it well. Yes, I agree that quite a few of us could have answered the question as well & google could be of help too. However, lets not get personal & try & prove which of us have a bigger EGO.

In my OPINION (its my opinion & what I feel) MT Shooter is well experienced, knows his stuff & I personally take heed of what he says. I personally prefer his opinion & advice aling with a few other members & that is MY CHOICE.

There is no further cause to slander & hijack this thread as the question was answered. Personal issues can be sorted out personally & not in public.

Btw, I dont know any of you personally & prefer to make my own decisions in deciding what is useful to me & what isnt.

For those of you wondering who 'this' idiot is, talking BS on this forum, please feel free to send me a message & I would be happy to keep in touch.

Do have a wonderful day & dont forget to have fun too.
Hi guys, br br Not sure why you guys need to slin... (show quote)



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Dec 6, 2016 08:19:14   #
dave sproul Loc: Tucson AZ
 
Gitchigumi wrote:
Jerry, thank you for posing the question. It was a good one.

MT Shooter, thank you for your excellent answer. As usual, your answer was accurate and to-the-point without bias.

To the several who responded with their experiences and other constructive input, thank you, too. That extra bit of information is good to have.

To the many who benefited from the Q&A, good for you. I am one of you and will use the knowledge gained in my decision-making.

To the several "trolls"... KNOCK IT OFF! Get a life! Be a positive person instead of a sour-puss. This forum shouldn't be about pissing contests. Let it be for helping each other. When a question is asked, let it be answered. If you can contribute and help a fellow photographer, great. Otherwise, move on. We don't need you and certainly don't appreciate your sniping and snide remarks. Grow-up!
Jerry, thank you for posing the question. It was a... (show quote)




Well said

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Dec 6, 2016 08:23:26   #
Bultaco Loc: Aiken, SC
 
Jim Bob wrote:
Curious why you directed your inquiry only to MT Shooter. Are you suggesting he is the only UHH member who might authoritatively answer the inquiry? Geesus. I hope not.


Does it really make a difference?

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Dec 6, 2016 08:23:58   #
orrie smith Loc: Kansas
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Since you ask, I will answer.
Refurbished gear comes from several sources. Dealer demos, trade show demos, and customer returns being the most common. (How many of you have bought items to "evaluate" and then returned them?)
All these items get checked by a service technician for appearance and function, any glaring or obvious issues are corrected and the item is removed with proper accessories and then made available as refurbished products. Firmware updates are often, but not always installed.
Contrary to some opinions these items are NOT fully or rigorously examined and issues can be missed if a specific error or issue was not detailed in the return package. But overall refurbished items do have a better record of reliability than assembly line items which only receive random spot check inspections. Pro level gear is different as each body and lens receives a number of assembly inspections during the manufacturing process.
Refurbished are, in general, a good way to save some money over brand new. Canon provides the same one year warranty as they have on their new gear while other manufacturers limit their return to 90 day warranties. But some dealers will extend that 90 days to a full year at no extra cost.
Do keep in mind that this info ONLY relates to "Factory Refurbished" items, anything sold as "seller refurbished" is meaningless and simply states all you are getting is a used product with no verifiable warranty.
So there you go, let's the trolls descend on me as they will.
Since you ask, I will answer. br Refurbished gear ... (show quote)


Very well put. Thanks

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Dec 6, 2016 08:24:50   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
mikeroetex wrote:
and have probably never met in person


I suspect that you are correct. UHH, like much of the rest of the internet or 'reality' TV has very little to do with reality.

How people behave in face to face contact is very different from cyber communication.

Possibly the biggest takeaway from a first face to face meeting with anyone is to realize how many of your assumptions were incorrect.

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Dec 6, 2016 08:26:55   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
you have breath that smells like bait??? lol


SteveR wrote:
With baited breath we eagerly await to read what words of wisdom you might have to impart on the subject, JB.

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Dec 6, 2016 08:33:06   #
dave sproul Loc: Tucson AZ
 
Thank you for the question and the constructive responses & comments -- even some of the thread inputs that also provided various degrees of personal attack on others had one or two constructive comments.

I think it would lift the UHH thread and the thread participants to a higher level if constructive criticism could be provided without the personal name calling and the derogatory insinuations.

Just saying.

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Dec 6, 2016 08:35:18   #
photoman022 Loc: Manchester CT USA
 
Is there a way to ignore idiots on UHH (besides just not reading their drivel)? I wish we could just push a button so their stupidity would never show up in our feed.

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Dec 6, 2016 08:45:27   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
romanticf16 wrote:
As the owner of a camera store MT Shooter is qualified to give an experienced definition and answer to the question posed. Asking an "expert" is one way to get an informative answer, rather then speculative guesses from lots of posters with no knowledge of the subject, but lots of opinions!


You are correct in this specific instance, and many of MT's responses are very well informed.

How should we deal with his responses that are not well informed or are mere speculation or opinion?

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Dec 6, 2016 08:48:49   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
photoman022 wrote:
Is there a way to ignore idiots on UHH (besides just not reading their drivel)? I wish we could just push a button so their stupidity would never show up in our feed.


No, unfortunately. Who gets to decide who the idiots are anyway?


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Dec 6, 2016 08:49:56   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Since you ask, I will answer.
Refurbished gear comes from several sources. Dealer demos, trade show demos, and customer returns being the most common. (How many of you have bought items to "evaluate" and then returned them?)
All these items get checked by a service technician for appearance and function, any glaring or obvious issues are corrected and the item is removed with proper accessories and then made available as refurbished products. Firmware updates are often, but not always installed.
Contrary to some opinions these items are NOT fully or rigorously examined and issues can be missed if a specific error or issue was not detailed in the return package. But overall refurbished items do have a better record of reliability than assembly line items which only receive random spot check inspections. Pro level gear is different as each body and lens receives a number of assembly inspections during the manufacturing process.
Refurbished are, in general, a good way to save some money over brand new. Canon provides the same one year warranty as they have on their new gear while other manufacturers limit their return to 90 day warranties. But some dealers will extend that 90 days to a full year at no extra cost.
Do keep in mind that this info ONLY relates to "Factory Refurbished" items, anything sold as "seller refurbished" is meaningless and simply states all you are getting is a used product with no verifiable warranty.
So there you go, let's the trolls descend on me as they will.
Since you ask, I will answer. br Refurbished gear ... (show quote)


I doubt there is a more definitive answer. Thanks! That was my intuitive understanding. Nice to hear it confirmed.
Mark

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Dec 6, 2016 08:53:02   #
Djedi
 
Peterff wrote:
You are correct in this specific instance, and many of MT's responses are very well informed.

How should we deal with his responses that are not well informed or are mere speculation or opinion?


Duhhhhh! Let's see now, what could the answer possibly be?
It couldn't be to accept his useful responses and just gloss over those we find unacceptable (without making accusative responses) and trying to stay on topic, could it?

Naaaaa. Couldn't be that easy.

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Dec 6, 2016 08:53:32   #
jdm Loc: Cape Cod
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Since you ask, I will answer.
Refurbished gear comes from several sources. Dealer demos, trade show demos, and customer returns being the most common. (How many of you have bought items to "evaluate" and then returned them?)
All these items get checked by a service technician for appearance and function, any glaring or obvious issues are corrected and the item is removed with proper accessories and then made available as refurbished products. Firmware updates are often, but not always installed.
Contrary to some opinions these items are NOT fully or rigorously examined and issues can be missed if a specific error or issue was not detailed in the return package. But overall refurbished items do have a better record of reliability than assembly line items which only receive random spot check inspections. Pro level gear is different as each body and lens receives a number of assembly inspections during the manufacturing process.
Refurbished are, in general, a good way to save some money over brand new. Canon provides the same one year warranty as they have on their new gear while other manufacturers limit their return to 90 day warranties. But some dealers will extend that 90 days to a full year at no extra cost.
Do keep in mind that this info ONLY relates to "Factory Refurbished" items, anything sold as "seller refurbished" is meaningless and simply states all you are getting is a used product with no verifiable warranty.
So there you go, let's the trolls descend on me as they will.
Since you ask, I will answer. br Refurbished gear ... (show quote)


Thank you, Carter, for how generous you are in sharing your expertise! I have tremendous respect for your contributions to this forum.

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