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Nov 8, 2016 23:59:03   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
NealB wrote:
I find it unbelievable that you trash a product on the basis of one unverifiable review. If that is the standard you use then you cannot buy anything since every product has at least one bad review on the internet and we all know if it is on the internet it is true. Since you claim you are constantly learning I suggest that you go and learn about statistical validation. Sufficient information is available for Nest products and equals the information their competition publishes for their own products. No manufacture is going to share any proprietary information with the world so don’t expect to see that. If you look at tripods closely you will notice a significant amount of the components in them is what manufacturing calls Parts Bin Components which are manufactured by Tier 1 suppliers and sold to many OEMs. There are plenty people on this site that have purchased Nest products and are completely satisfied so you should also solicit their views of the product and the distributor. Since I am satisfied with my Nest Gimbal, Tripod, and the distributor I suggest that you fact check with other users to decide if my experience with Nest is just a statistical aberration or is a valid observation.
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It sounds more like you have had your feelings hurt because someone , Gene51 who is one of the most knowable individuals on this site, said something about a product you own. Maybe that's the problem with a product you have, as you said, " If you look at tripods closely you will notice a significant amount of components in them is what manufacturing calls Parts Bin Components which are manufactured by Tier 1 suppliers and sold to many OEM's." You won't find that with RRS, Gitzo and a few others because they make their own parts. All I can say is that I travel and have yet to see even one Nest gimbal or tripod anywhere. I believe MT Shooter is the sole distributor and with so much competition out there it's understandable that they are scarce. I have heard good things about their gimbal. Did you fact check with other users prior to your purchase, if so and you are happy don't worry about it. One thing you should look at too is how often do you use your gear and would or could it stand up to heavy everyday use, maybe it would, I don't know. I am glad that you are satisfied with you Nest products.

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Nov 9, 2016 19:48:30   #
NealB Loc: Lowell Indiana
 
First my feelings are not hurt and I am not questioning Gene51's photography knowledge. What I found puzzling is why would someone trash something without any evidence other than one persons opinion. That is just wrong. If I can not find enough information on a product that I am interested in I would just say if asked that I was not qualified to make a comment on it not run it down because of one bad comment on the internet. I never said anything about Gitzo and RRS. Both are best of the best but some people can not justify their purchase or cost so they must look elsewhere. I am not a pro and could purchase a Gitzo or RRS product but cannot justify taking a $1,000.00 + tripod to some of spots I go to. I am sure they fabricate some of their components also. Yes I did check with others about the nest products before purchasing them and yes they fill my needs quite well. The fact that they have limited distribution in the U.S. does not trouble me since they are sold and supported by reputable person. I just feel we should only deal with supportable facts and not on perception which seems to be the new American way lately.

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Nov 9, 2016 20:56:30   #
Bill Emmett Loc: Bow, New Hampshire
 
Hi All, I have been shooting all sorts birds in my backyard, bird feeder, City Park (New Orleans) and in the Bayou Savauge Wildlife Refuge, near New Orleans. I have been shooting off a old Bogen 3011 aluminum tripod, with a Nest Gimbal head, from MTshooter of the Camera Cottage. I mounted 3 different cameras, and Tamron 150-600mm lens. I just bought a new Canon 5D Mark IV, and carried it along for some shots in the Bayou. Believe me the Bogen is one hell of a steady strong tripod, but for carrying deep into a bayou, it is one heavy load. I started looking for a lighter weight tripod, the Nest Gimbal was the lightest I could find. I called MTshooter, and he suggested the Nest 6294CTB carbon fiber tripod with a ball head kit. I started using it as soon as it arrived, and was "wowed" by the light weight, and how sturdy the legs are, and the hook for extra stability. When fully extended, I cannot reach the camera with my eye, I'm 5'10". The weight limit is 45lbs, and that is more than the 5D M4, Tamron lens with a Tamron extender. I use this rig about 3 times a week when out in the bayou. I've no problems and every part of the tripod is well engineered, it has been in the Louisiana mud, rain and even went for a swim on sunny day. I just wiped it down and pressed on.

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Nov 10, 2016 06:08:40   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
NealB wrote:
I find it unbelievable that you trash a product on the basis of one unverifiable review. If that is the standard you use then you cannot buy anything since every product has at least one bad review on the internet and we all know if it is on the internet it is true. Since you claim you are constantly learning I suggest that you go and learn about statistical validation. Sufficient information is available for Nest products and equals the information their competition publishes for their own products. No manufacture is going to share any proprietary information with the world so don’t expect to see that. If you look at tripods closely you will notice a significant amount of the components in them is what manufacturing calls Parts Bin Components which are manufactured by Tier 1 suppliers and sold to many OEMs. There are plenty people on this site that have purchased Nest products and are completely satisfied so you should also solicit their views of the product and the distributor. Since I am satisfied with my Nest Gimbal, Tripod, and the distributor I suggest that you fact check with other users to decide if my experience with Nest is just a statistical aberration or is a valid observation.
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I think you misunderstood what I said. I was pretty clear that I would avoid Nest products for several reasons - I couldn't find any detail whatsoever on the Nest website, and when I asked the sole importer for information he failed to provide it, providing a google search page. What I did find was a single review that complained about substandard parts failing. I don't think it is unreasonable to suggest an alternative. I do have a background in probability and statistics, and this does not apply. The sample size is far too limited and skewed, not random. I never trashed the product. I merely pointed out that I personally was unable to find detail on the product, either through a search or by direct inquiry, and on that basis I wouldn't consider one.

I don't know what you mean by an unverified review - in light of the fact that you suggest that I accept your unverified comments, and those of other users (also unverified), and then you make some reference to statisticial aberration as if you even know what that is.

These are examples of sites that provide useful information about their products without revealing "trade secrets" as you describe:

http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/
http://www.gitzo.us/
http://www.indurogear.com/portals/0/files/induro_tripods_instructions.pdf
and http://www.indurogear.com/
http://www.benrousa.com/products/browse-by-products - not much info on their site, but a quick call to their White Plains office will provide you with detailed information
https://www.manfrotto.us/
http://www.feisol.com/0823product.html
http://www.sirui.eu/en/products/tripods/
http://www.desphotodist.com/Tripods.html (and this is made by the same factory that makes Nest and Dolica, btw)

To mention a few. . .

Each of the above sites provide detailed information about the important features that differentiate their products from their competitors.

I am glad you and others like your purchase. However, without knowing how you use your tripod and head, what your experience level is with these products, what your quality standards are, etc etc etc - I cannot base a purchase on an impression, or suggest anyone else do the same. There's where the comparative specs come in, and to a lesser degree, anecdotal stuff.

Nest may be a great tripod, or it could be junk that will fail when you least expect it. It's hard to tell from the available literature, reviews, product description. Instead of being cute, the importer should answer all inquiries promptly and with the information requested, not with a suggestion that the inquirer go on an Easter egg hunt.

When navigating to the nest website in the google search page link, this is what I saw - hardly a complete description for a fairly expensive product, certainly not enough to make a purchasing decision. For what it's worth, the other tripod made by the same company - Desmond - does seem to have products that are at least as good, and certainly worth a look.

I will admit that eventually I did find what I was looking for on the Camera Cottage website, and they do seem to be competitive with their specs and pricing. The 404 in particular is about as much tripod as I would ever what for a long lens, as long as the legs don't come apart as they did for the poor guy in the review that I quoted.


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Nov 10, 2016 11:45:40   #
bjprovo Loc: Northeast CT
 
I am 6'2" and use the Feisol CT-3471. With the camera and a battery pack I have never had to stoop and there is some extra height left over. There is no column and the unit is extremely strong and durable. Check out what Gene51 has had to say about leg thickness and size in previous posts. Good Luck.
boomer826 wrote:
I am looking for a tall , heavy duty tripod. I am 6'3" tall and I get tired of stopping over my tripod. I want one that is very sturdy also. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated from the great folks at the hog.

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Nov 10, 2016 19:45:40   #
NealB Loc: Lowell Indiana
 
Gene51 wrote:
I think you misunderstood what I said. I was pretty clear that I would avoid Nest products for several reasons - I couldn't find any detail whatsoever on the Nest website, and when I asked the sole importer for information he failed to provide it, providing a google search page. What I did find was a single review that complained about substandard parts failing. I don't think it is unreasonable to suggest an alternative. I do have a background in probability and statistics, and this does not apply. The sample size is far too limited and skewed, not random. I never trashed the product. I merely pointed out that I personally was unable to find detail on the product, either through a search or by direct inquiry, and on that basis I wouldn't consider one.

I don't know what you mean by an unverified review - in light of the fact that you suggest that I accept your unverified comments, and those of other users (also unverified), and then you make some reference to statisticial aberration as if you even know what that is.

These are examples of sites that provide useful information about their products without revealing "trade secrets" as you describe:

http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/
http://www.gitzo.us/
http://www.indurogear.com/portals/0/files/induro_tripods_instructions.pdf
and http://www.indurogear.com/
http://www.benrousa.com/products/browse-by-products - not much info on their site, but a quick call to their White Plains office will provide you with detailed information
https://www.manfrotto.us/
http://www.feisol.com/0823product.html
http://www.sirui.eu/en/products/tripods/
http://www.desphotodist.com/Tripods.html (and this is made by the same factory that makes Nest and Dolica, btw)

To mention a few. . .

Each of the above sites provide detailed information about the important features that differentiate their products from their competitors.

I am glad you and others like your purchase. However, without knowing how you use your tripod and head, what your experience level is with these products, what your quality standards are, etc etc etc - I cannot base a purchase on an impression, or suggest anyone else do the same. There's where the comparative specs come in, and to a lesser degree, anecdotal stuff.

Nest may be a great tripod, or it could be junk that will fail when you least expect it. It's hard to tell from the available literature, reviews, product description. Instead of being cute, the importer should answer all inquiries promptly and with the information requested, not with a suggestion that the inquirer go on an Easter egg hunt.

When navigating to the nest website in the google search page link, this is what I saw - hardly a complete description for a fairly expensive product, certainly not enough to make a purchasing decision. For what it's worth, the other tripod made by the same company - Desmond - does seem to have products that are at least as good, and certainly worth a look.

I will admit that eventually I did find what I was looking for on the Camera Cottage website, and they do seem to be competitive with their specs and pricing. The 404 in particular is about as much tripod as I would ever what for a long lens, as long as the legs don't come apart as they did for the poor guy in the review that I quoted.
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Gene I think you and are at the point of saying that we have agreed to disagree on this subject so it is time for both of us to move on to something else before it gets out of control. I completely respect your point of view on the subject and hope you will respect mine also.

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Nov 11, 2016 05:07:19   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
NealB wrote:
Gene I think you and are at the point of saying that we have agreed to disagree on this subject so it is time for both of us to move on to something else before it gets out of control. I completely respect your point of view on the subject and hope you will respect mine also.


You have my respect as long as you keep it professional and not personal.

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