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Oct 7, 2015 20:45:42   #
SonnyE Loc: Communist California, USA
 
green wrote:
are you... Sonny Edison?

interesting article by the way, unfortunately our mathematics doesn't handle infinity very well...

at least he agrees that it was very, very small 13 Billion years ago, whether it was a big bang or just a moderate bounce.


Actually, I'm Sonny, LADWP Senior Electrical Mechanic. I've been trying to forget all the engineering of the Pacific Intertie, Steam generation, Hydro Generation, and 42 years of power wielding from micro to mega watts at up to 1,000,000 volts DC to AC conversion.
I'm very happily retired.

And the facts is, man has not understanding of the Universe. Just ideas, fraught of ego's trying to be in the front.

In plain language, green, we really don't know shit.
We don't even know this planet, let alone the universe.
Now run along and play...

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Oct 7, 2015 21:00:55   #
nakkh Loc: San Mateo, Ca
 
We know far more than republicans are comfortable acknowledging. That's why they attack science. Fear- pure & simple fear... Mayberry rfd isn't comfortable with quantum mechanics & Evolution doesn't fit well on a Norman Rockwell painting. The GOP are a pack of ignorant bible thumping Luddites.



http://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1LENP_enUS533US533&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=scientists%20under%20attack%20watch%20online








SonnyE wrote:
Actually, I'm Sonny, LADWP Senior Electrical Mechanic. I've been trying to forget all the engineering of the Pacific Intertie, Steam generation, Hydro Generation, and 42 years of power wielding from micro to mega watts at up to 1,000,000 volts DC to AC conversion.
I'm very happily retired.

And the facts is, man has not understanding of the Universe. Just ideas, fraught of ego's trying to be in the front.

In plain language, green, we really don't know shit.
We don't even know this planet, let alone the universe.
Now run along and play...
Actually, I'm Sonny, LADWP Senior Electrical Mecha... (show quote)

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Oct 7, 2015 21:05:12   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
nakkh wrote:
We know far more than republicans are comfortable acknowledging. That's why they attack science. Fear- pure & simple fear... Mayberry rfd isn't comfortable with quantum mechanics & Evolution doesn't fit well on a Norman Rockwell painting. The GOP are a pack of ignorant bible thumping Luddites.



http://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1LENP_enUS533US533&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=scientists%20under%20attack%20watch%20online


More lies from you and the left. To claim the Right attacks science is a pure lie and you know it. Which deny all the hog wash you Lefty's take a science when its not science. For instance Darwinian evolution is not based on empirical observer scientific evidence.

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Oct 7, 2015 22:15:34   #
nakkh Loc: San Mateo, Ca
 
Racmanaz wrote:
More lies from you and the left. To claim the Right attacks science is a pure lie and you know it. Which deny all the hog wash you Lefty's take a science when its not science. For instance Darwinian evolution is not based on empirical observer scientific evidence.


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Oct 8, 2015 09:57:25   #
James Shaw
 
SonnyE wrote:
http://www.livescience.com/49958-theory-no-big-bang.htmlSorry I forgot this in the post.BTW, I was one of the forerunners bringing power to the grid...

Good site and interesting read. Thanks!

I have always held that there never was evidence of a "beginning." Instead, we are on a continuum, and what is called "the Big Bang event" was just a point on that continuum.
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By the way, thanks for your efforts in bringing power to the grid, if indeed you did? It is sometimes hard to tell with you whether you are joking or not. However, I re-read your post to Green and your "LADWP Senior Electrical Mechanic" statement I will buy unless I hear contrary.

I must disagree with your statement, "we don't know shit," as we have learned more in the last 100 years than we did in all of the years before, combined.

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Oct 8, 2015 10:08:22   #
OldDoc Loc: New York
 
Racmanaz wrote:
I'm trying to understand what you are implying, here what the report said... Durrett and Schmidt published a paper examining how long it would take to have two coordinated mutations (one inactivating and the other activating) take place in an evolving hominin population. They found it would require in excess of 100 million years.
This is what you proposed...the time required is more in the very few hundreds of thousand years-very practicable for evolution.

Two coordinated mutations every 300,000 years? That's still way too long for the difference between chimps and humans from what I can tell. In 6 million years with 2 coordinated mutations every 300,000 years would be a total of 20 pairs of mutations. What am I getting wrong here? Please help me understand.



I am sorry, no offence intended...but darwinian evolution is just pure speculation and NOT based on any empirical observable scientific evidence. Now I understand that just because a theory is not observable does not mean it is not true, it just means it is not scientifically observable.
I'm trying to understand what you are implying, he... (show quote)


Sorry for the late response, but I was giving (and grading, ugh) mid-term exams. There are several incorrect assumptions inherent in what you have said. First, as pointed out in the paper itself, there is the assumption that changes must be exact. The multi-hundred million year prediction assumes that there must be an exact match for a 7-8 letter word, but, as the authors say,

"Fortunately, in biological reality, the match of a regulatory protein to the target sequence does not have to be exact for binding to occur. Biological reality is complicated, with the acceptable sequences for binding described by position weight matrices that indicate the flexibility at different points in the sequence. To simplify, we assume that binding will occur to any eight-letter word that has seven letters in common with the target word. If we do this, then the mean waiting time reduces to &#8764;60,000 years."

The second assumption you have made, that evolution is dependent on changing regulatory sequences, is incorrect. While it is true that in some (many?) cases regulatory sequences are involved, there are many other types of genetic/molecular events that can account for morphological changes. The new information on micro-RNA is one such example of non-regulatory changes that could alter regulation of gene expression.

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Oct 8, 2015 10:11:52   #
James Shaw
 
Quote:
nakkh wrote:
We know far more than republicans are comfortable acknowledging. That's why they attack science. Fear- pure & simple fear... Mayberry rfd isn't comfortable with quantum mechanics & Evolution doesn't fit well on a Norman Rockwell painting. The GOP are a pack of ignorant bible thumping Luddites.http://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1LENP_enUS533US533&ion=1&espv=2...
Racmanaz wrote:
More lies from you and the left. To claim the Right attacks science is a pure lie and you know it. Which deny all the hog wash you Lefty's take a science when its not science. For instance Darwinian evolution is not based on empirical observer scientific evidence.

Just another ad hominem attack by the clown.

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Oct 8, 2015 10:25:02   #
James Shaw
 
Quote:
slocumeddie wrote:
Just so everyone(and Rac) is clear about 2 things. Intelligent design/creationism is not based on observable scientific facts. It cannot be observed therefore it is not based on science. It is based solely on speculation and faith.
Racmanaz wrote:
Wrong again my friend, we see intelligent design in creation throughout life every single day you see intelligent signs create computer codes computers cameras cars automobiles trains ships electronic devices medicine medical supplies medical tools excetera excetera. Nothing that we see today or ever that has been designed has come about by natural processes it always takes an intelligence source. Therefore when we see specified complexities in organisms we refer to what we see today intelligence creating complexities especially specified complexity.
Wrong again my friend, we see intelligent design i... (show quote)


Intelligent Design?

Intelligent Design?
Intelligent Design?...

Intelligent Design?
Intelligent Design?...

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Oct 8, 2015 10:54:04   #
SonnyE Loc: Communist California, USA
 
Oh now, James, you shouldn't post pictures of your wife and daughter.
I don't think they would appreciate it. :?

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Oct 8, 2015 10:59:25   #
SonnyE Loc: Communist California, USA
 
James Shaw wrote:
Good site and interesting read. Thanks!

I have always held that there never was evidence of a "beginning." Instead, we are on a continuum, and what is called "the Big Bang event" was just a point on that continuum.
_______
By the way, thanks for your efforts in bringing power to the grid, if indeed you did? It is sometimes hard to tell with you whether you are joking or not. However, I re-read your post to Green and your "LADWP Senior Electrical Mechanic" statement I will buy unless I hear contrary.

I must disagree with your statement, "we don't know shit," as we have learned more in the last 100 years than we did in all of the years before, combined.
Good site and interesting read. Thanks! br br I ... (show quote)


I did.
And we still don't know shit.
Colonize Mars? When we don't know what's at the bottom of the ocean?
Yeah, we don't know shit.

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Oct 8, 2015 11:00:37   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
SonnyE wrote:
Oh now, James, you shouldn't post pictures of your wife and daughter.
I don't think they would appreciate it. :?


James doesn't even realize that those pics he is posting are in opposition if his own Darwnian theory. If darwinian evolution is true and occurring, why is everything getting worse when it should be getting better? Why are there more variations of sickness, diseases and genetic ailments? God told us in His words that things will get worse as time comes to a close after sin was introduced into the world by Adam and Eve, seems to me this has been coming to pass for quite some time now sadly.

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Oct 8, 2015 11:04:35   #
James Shaw
 
Quote:
James Shaw wrote:
Good site and interesting read. Thanks!

I have always held that there never was evidence of a "beginning." Instead, we are on a continuum, and what is called "the Big Bang event" was just a point on that continuum.
_______
By the way, thanks for your efforts in bringing power to the grid, if indeed you did? It is sometimes hard to tell with you whether you are joking or not. However, I re-read your post to Green and your "LADWP Senior Electrical Mechanic" statement I will buy unless I hear contrary.

I must disagree with your statement, "we don't know shit," as we have learned more in the last 100 years than we did in all of the years before, combined.
James Shaw wrote: br Good site and interesting rea... (show quote)
SonnyE wrote:
I did.
And we still don't know shit.
Colonize Mars? When we don't know what's at the bottom of the ocean?
Yeah, we don't know shit.

I think you speak of man's priorities with the "Mars" thing. I think you need to expand on "don't know shit," as we know very much, and you know it.

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Oct 8, 2015 11:12:16   #
OldDoc Loc: New York
 
Racmanaz wrote:
James doesn't even realize that those pics he is posting are in opposition if his own Darwnian theory. If darwinian evolution is true and occurring, why is everything getting worse when it should be getting better? Why are there more variations of sickness, diseases and genetic ailments? God told us in His words that things will get worse as time comes to a close after sin was introduced into the world by Adam and Eve, seems to me this has been coming to pass for quite some time now sadly.


You really don't understand the theory you so consistently demean! What do you mean by "why is everything getting worse, when it should be getting better?" You are taking a 100% anthropocentric view, which is leading you to an incorrect conclusion. "Things" are, in fact, getting better for something (in terms of reproductive success), and that may mean that "things" are more difficult for some other species. Evolution doesn't care whose ox is gored. While you think of a planarian as a poorly evolved organism, planaria think of you as really poorly developed and evolved planarians since you can't survive and reproduce in their world.

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Oct 8, 2015 11:14:51   #
James Shaw
 
Racmanaz wrote:
James doesn't even realize that those pics he is posting are in opposition if his own Darwnian theory. If darwinian evolution is true and occurring, why is everything getting worse when it should be getting better? Why are there more variations of sickness, diseases and genetic ailments? God told us in His words that things will get worse as time comes to a close after sin was introduced into the world by Adam and Eve, seems to me this has been coming to pass for quite some time now sadly.

The clown claims that things are getting "worse," whereas they are no worse than they ever have been. In fact they get better through science and education.

Only a paranoid clown would think things are getting worse. During the 20th century, alone, "it is estimated that smallpox (second picture) was responsible for 300–500 million deaths." Man, not God, eliminated that scourge from the face of the earth. The last death was approximately 1977. Polio is on the way out, and so many other achievements by MAN are so evident.

My posted pictures are most consistent with evolution, contrary to what the clown claims. He obviously has no real sense of what-is in this world.

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Oct 8, 2015 11:25:03   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
OldDoc wrote:
You really don't understand the theory you so consistently demean! What do you mean by "why is everything getting worse, when it should be getting better?" You are taking a 100% anthropocentric view, which is leading you to an incorrect conclusion. "Things" are, in fact, getting better for something (in terms of reproductive success), and that may mean that "things" are more difficult for some other species. Evolution doesn't care whose ox is gored. While you think of a planarian as a poorly evolved organism, planaria think of you as really poorly developed and evolved planarians since you can't survive and reproduce in their world.
You really don't understand the theory you so cons... (show quote)


But couldn't your presupposition to Darwinian evolution require you tom assume that the planarians are or did in fact evolve from a lesser state of "advancement"? Maybe those planarians were designed this way from the start? I don't know much about the planarians so you will have to educate me on this organism. I don't think anyone on this earth understands the "theory" that you so wholeheartedly are in support of.

A world-famous chemist tells the truth: there’s no scientist alive today who understands macroevolution

http://www.livescience.com/24791-worm-regeneration-research-nsf-ria.html

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