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Apr 16, 2013 12:13:18   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
silver wrote:
sorry, it says a day. Day is 24 hours. No sun, no day. It just dosent make sense.


You are correct; it does say day and it does make it clear that it's a real day.

but make no mistake...a rotation of the earth doesn't require the sun, nor does it preclude a source of light at the time.

Also; let's be clear...we aren't trying to convince you of anything...we are merely answering questions to clarify the text...that's all.

I don't expect you to agree, nor do I need you to agree. We both have different ultimate authorities that govern our conclusions; I have God's word, you have secular science or your own reasoning...ergo, we come to opposite conclusions about how things are.

Just so you know...not sure if you thought that we were trying to convince you or not.

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Apr 16, 2013 12:27:35   #
emrob62 Loc: NEPA
 
nevermind, non-believers will remain that way until some other force brings the light to them

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Apr 16, 2013 12:35:47   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
donrent wrote:
To teach Bibical Thoughts as factual happenings is absolutly assinine... A scientific proven fact overules ANY belief thought that there is......


Don, this is going to frighten you a bit...I agree with you completely.

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Apr 16, 2013 12:42:49   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
SteveR wrote:
One of the problems with Creationists is that Genesis 1 was given to a practically pre-literate culture over 3000 years ago. The story of creation should be understood in that context. While totally true, it was meant to explain creation rather simply. It does not go into any detail as to how God actually created what He created. The problem with evolutionists is that they accept only what they can piece together through scientific theory through observation. Since God is revealed and not observed, the sum of totality is not available to the scientist, and his version of fact may not contain all the relevant factors and be totally accurate.

When we eventually come before God, I am certain that all things will be made clear and that Scripture and science will both be understood as God's truths.
One of the problems with Creationists is that Gene... (show quote)


Or not, most likely not. But hey it is okay to believe in things unseen as long as you keep it to yourself.



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Apr 16, 2013 12:44:26   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
dontrent wrote:
To teach Bibical Thoughts as factual happenings is absolutly assinine... A scientific proven fact overules ANY belief thought that there is......


RixPix wrote:
Don, this is going to frighten you a bit...I agree with you completely.



Scientific proven fact? You mean like monkeys turned into human beings through random chance mutations over long periods of time?

You might want to look up what it means to "prove" a fact.

The theory isn't testable and repeatable as observational scientific theories are, it's a bunch of conclusions drawn about the past, derived from the interpretation of things that exist in the present.

It's far from "fact" at all.

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Apr 16, 2013 12:45:58   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
RixPix wrote:
Or not, most likely not. But hey it is okay to believe in things unseen as long as you keep it to yourself.


And of course, Rix Pix cannot come up with a good positive argument for his worldview so only brings ridicule to the table of idea exchange.

Not surprising at all.

I'll leave him with a quote by the famous geneticist (and self-proclaimed Marxist), Richard Lewontin, who is certainly one of the world’s leaders in evolutionary biology.

Quote:

‘We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.


It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated.

Moreover, that materialism is an absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.
br ‘We take the side of science in spite of the ... (show quote)

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Apr 16, 2013 12:53:30   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
rpavich wrote:
You are correct; it does say day and it does make it clear that it's a real day.

but make no mistake...a rotation of the earth doesn't require the sun, nor does it preclude a source of light at the time.

Also; let's be clear...we aren't trying to convince you of anything...we are merely answering questions to clarify the text...that's all.

I don't expect you to agree, nor do I need you to agree. We both have different ultimate authorities that govern our conclusions; I have God's word, you have secular science or your own reasoning...ergo, we come to opposite conclusions about how things are.

Just so you know...not sure if you thought that we were trying to convince you or not.
You are correct; it does say day and it does make ... (show quote)


Well, all am I saying is that you keep it to yourself. You are starting to get slightly psychotic about it. My guess is that you are in recovery from some form of addiction. I could be wrong it is just a guess...no need to reply and remove all doubt.



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Apr 16, 2013 13:32:25   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
RixPix wrote:
Well, all am I saying is that you keep it to yourself. You are starting to get slightly psychotic about it. My guess is that you are in recovery from some form of addiction. I could be wrong it is just a guess...no need to reply and remove all doubt.


Awww....you want me to keep my mouth shut while you don't? lol...that's rich.

Are you mad because Richard Lewontin let the cat out of the bag?

That's fine if you want to keep calling names...that just reinforces my point. :)

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Apr 16, 2013 13:53:56   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
greymule wrote:
I'm just pointing it out, although it seems to make sense teaching scientific facts, in lieu of religious myths.

Adults can believe what ever they want; children need to educated using scientific facts and truth to develop fully their logic and reasoning skills that are so necessary in today's world. IMHO.


Can I get A-Men....



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Apr 16, 2013 13:57:13   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
rpavich wrote:
Awww....you want me to keep my mouth shut while you don't? lol...that's rich.

Are you made because Richard Lewontin let the cat out of the bag?

That's fine if you want to keep calling names...that just reinforces my point. :)


You replied...no doubt now.



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Apr 16, 2013 14:09:01   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
RixPix wrote:
You replied...no doubt now.


Well..this is silly even for you..so I'm bowing out once again.

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Apr 16, 2013 14:16:27   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
sinatraman wrote:
How sad and totally wrong! I was raised an atheist by my folks and was denied a relationship with Jesus for 38 years, That was a very costly form of child abuse. I don't think that God's word is true, I don't believe that God's word is true,I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT EVERYTHING IN THE BIBLE IS 100% TRUE.

I have felt the presence of Jesus both inside my soul as well as at church and as well as looking out at the ocean or looking at a magnificent florida sunset. I have seen miracles happen, had both my knees cartilage healed and arthritis in my left knee disappear. I have felt the Holy Ghost and have spoken in an unknown tongue. atheism is evil and leads down the road to Hitler, Stalin, pol pot, idi Armin and Mao. Bill Nye is heading for a very rude awakening when he dies and is face to face with Jesus who tells him " I did not come from an ape" of course by then it will be too late.

Had I been raised to know Jesus and to understand that He has my back, my life would have turned out much differently. I would not have made allot of my mistakes would have finished law school and gone on to be a prosecutor. By denying me a relationship with the Lord, my parents deprived me of a very valuable resource for dealing with the problems of life. If I knew at 18 that Jesus was real and thus Adam and Eve were real, i would have avoided harmful behaviors such as fornication, adultery, drunkenness, drug use, theft, and other sins I am guilty of committing.

Thankfully Jesus never gave up on me, and eventually I heard his call and responded positively. Having a relationship with Jesus and making Him number one in my life has allowed me to escape the prison of materialism, I focus on what's most important A strong relationship with God, which gives me the self confidence, patience and discipline to face boldly whatever life throws at me. In addition, I have no doubts that when the rapture of the church occurs (much sooner then people think) I Will be with my Lord and Saviour in Heaven and not on earth when all hell breaks loose literally.

Trusting in God and his word in the bible also has allowed me to overcome despair, depression and suicidal thoughts. You may choose to think your ancestors were primates, I choose to believe that my ancestor was made of the dust of the earth in God's own image. Man is not an animal, he was created to have dominion over the animals.

I realize that nothing I write will change your mind, so this answer and my testimony are for those who are honestly seeking to know if God exists and what is he like. My heart is troubled and burdened for atheists as I know where they WILL be spending eternity if they don't get right with Jesus. If anyone has serious questions ( not just looking for an argument) send me a pm. would be more then happy to share more of my testimony with anyone. God bless you all and God bless America
How sad and totally wrong! I was raised an athei... (show quote)


Religion is notorious for conceiving an idea and then trying to make it true, either by propaganda or sometimes by force... While science makes a discovery and then immediately sets about trying to disprove it, just to make sure it's correct before everybody makes idiots of themselves.



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Apr 16, 2013 17:21:23   #
cudakite Loc: San Antonio
 
SteveR wrote:
One of the problems with Creationists is that Genesis 1 was given to a practically pre-literate culture over 3000 years ago. The story of creation should be understood in that context. While totally true, it was meant to explain creation rather simply. It does not go into any detail as to how God actually created what He created. The problem with evolutionists is that they accept only what they can piece together through scientific theory through observation. Since God is revealed and not observed, the sum of totality is not available to the scientist, and his version of fact may not contain all the relevant factors and be totally accurate.

When we eventually come before God, I am certain that all things will be made clear and that Scripture and science will both be understood as God's truths.
One of the problems with Creationists is that Gene... (show quote)


Well said. Choice in what we believe and what we reject is the substance of free will. In life, decisions and the actions based on those decisions can have significant consequences, some never-ending.

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Apr 17, 2013 01:42:19   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
rpavich wrote:
You are correct; it does say day and it does make it clear that it's a real day.

but make no mistake...a rotation of the earth doesn't require the sun, nor does it preclude a source of light at the time.

Also; let's be clear...we aren't trying to convince you of anything...we are merely answering questions to clarify the text...that's all.

I don't expect you to agree, nor do I need you to agree. We both have different ultimate authorities that govern our conclusions; I have God's word, you have secular science or your own reasoning...ergo, we come to opposite conclusions about how things are.

Just so you know...not sure if you thought that we were trying to convince you or not.
You are correct; it does say day and it does make ... (show quote)


You are absolutely right, the earth rotates and 500 years ago a person could be burned at the stake for believing that. In fact the Catholic church believed that the earth was flat and the sun rotated around the earth. The fact still remains that with a sun there can be no days. Sunrise to sunset. The correct answers to this have all been answered by scientific investigation. And that my friend is that.

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Apr 29, 2013 09:56:51   #
Croce Loc: Earth
 
donrent wrote:
To teach Bibical Thoughts as factual happenings is absolutly assinine... A scientific proven fact overules ANY belief thought that there is......


Don, short, sweet, brutal and to the point as usual. lol
And as usual I agree with your point. Guess I am as ignorant as you. Hahahahahahahahaha.
Sorry I missed this when it was first posted in August of last year.

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